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Old 02-21-2016, 09:08 AM
sritchie sritchie is offline
 
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Default IFR Panel Feedback

Hey all,

I'm working with Stein on an IFR panel design for my RV10 and would love feebdback, specifically on

- Any items that you think are essential for IFR that are missing,
- what switches you like having right in front of you, etc for ease of use,

but generally would love thoughts. This design uses the new Aerosport 310 panel with the center throttle quadrant. Here's the panel, then a description of everything after the image:



On the Left:
  • - parking brake pull handle (this should move under the console, I think)
  • the square on the left is the built-in oxygen system controller
  • “PDF update” is a software update slot.
  • On the top left is the autopilot control panel (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/SkyView_AP_Panel.html) - the buttons aren’t actually going to be sideways. It comes in an actual horizontal version
  • Top right is extra knobs for heading and altitude bugs and baro adjustment.
  • Both panels are 10” touchscreens. Go technology!! http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/SkyView_Displays.html

On the left bottom row:
  • vent on the left,
  • key,
  • push button starter,
  • toggle switches (would love feedback on what switches you’d like to see right in front of you)
  • flap switch

Center:
  • iPad mount up top
  • radio panel
  • IFR GPS
  • Dynon COM radio panel http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/SkyView_COM.html, for primary comms
  • co-pilot trim lockout - the RV10 has a trim toggle on the stick, so if you flip this switch then your passenger can’t accidentally screw with the trim by leaning on the stick
  • light switches!
  • “APR” is the display for the EFII electronic fuel ignition system.
  • the little dial on the right is a potentiometer for mixture. With EFII you don’t need a mixture level, but this pot allows you to move the preset fuel curve to the rich or lean side.

The circles on the left side of the center console are environmental controls.

Right:
  • Another monster display and MFD update thing
  • panel light toggle, I think?
  • more switches!
  • the two rectangles are for USB charging. (I’ll move these down into the center console.)
  • ELT display
  • another vent

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Old 02-21-2016, 09:25 AM
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You understand that the right side Dynon is for a right seat pilot - it's too far away for a left seat pilot to really use, especially in imc.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:30 AM
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Default Engine Controls?

Are you using standard engine controls or throttle quadrant? You may want to sketch them in to avoid an expensive oops...
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:31 AM
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Speaking as someone who has experienced an EFIS roll inverted in IMC, I think backup instruments are missing. Others may feel differently.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:37 AM
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You understand that the right side Dynon is for a right seat pilot - it's too far away for a left seat pilot to really use, especially in imc.
Yeah, my wife is a pilot as well, so we wanted to lay out the system so that we could switch primary displays.

Would you recommend subbing in a third screen in the center instead of the iPad mount so that the layout becomes more symmetrical?
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:39 AM
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Speaking as someone who has experienced an EFIS roll inverted in IMC, I think backup instruments are missing. Others may feel differently.
Woah, what's the story there? How did that happen? My plan was to rely on the dual AHRS for backup.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:40 AM
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Are you using standard engine controls or throttle quadrant? You may want to sketch them in to avoid an expensive oops...
This is very solid advice. I'm using a throttle quadrant, but it's going to sit in the center console, so not on the panel at all. Check out Aerosport's new 310 panel page for an example:

http://www.aerosportproducts.com/310panel.htm
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:44 AM
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Default A few thoughts...

The ELT panel indicator must be in reach, so it needs to be in the center area.

Is the iPad necessary? What will it be used for during flight?

Thinking through actual flying while sitting in the seat may help with your design.
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Old 02-21-2016, 09:49 AM
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Some quick thoughts:
- Co-pilot trim lock out. Good. This also provides a back up trim switch if you break off the trim hat on the pilot stick. Recommend using the same switch (DPDT) to also lock out the flaps from the co-pilot. The RV-10, like all RVs, has a very low flap speed and sticking them out in cruise by accident is not good.
- iPad. Fine but - I find the iPad in the cockpit to be far too unreliable to take up such prime panel space. Keep the iPad in your lap or let your co-pilot hold it.
- I assume from your traditional key and master switch set up you do not have a backup power distribution scheme other than perhaps the Dynon backup batteries. If so, use the now free panel space where the iPad is to install an altimeter and air speed instrument.
- Move the GTN-650 as high in the panel as you can. For the RV-10 this is limited but the center rib, but you can at least move the GTN650 above the audio panel. In practice the GTN-650 feeding the SkyView via the ARINC module means there is little need to rely on the GTN-650 display. You do however still need to plug in the inevitable routing changes from the controllers.
- I'm curious on the wider than needed center section. This moves the right display father to the right - thus less usable to the pilot.


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Old 02-21-2016, 10:10 AM
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Default Ipad Mount

I see in you picture you plan on using a ram mount for the iPad. You should look into this and make it integrated in the panel. My friend installed one in a Searey and it looked great.

https://www.flypadmount.com
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