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12-18-2015, 03:12 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Boston Area
Posts: 284
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Avionics Update is posted
Happy reading. TL;DR is "Call Stein or AFS for packages and / or other options"
http://vansaircraft.com/pdf/AvionicsUpdateFinal.pdf
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Jeff
RV-14A
Status: Wings complete(ish), Working on: Empennage. Fuselage kit on order
Location:MA
http://vans14a.blogspot.com/
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12-18-2015, 03:29 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Yarmouth, Nova Scotia
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Not what I was expecting, would have been beneficial to know months ago. Oh well something to do waiting for spring and the FWF. Now knowing I need to do my own wiring I will probably rip out the supplied wiring and get rid of those cheap connectors.
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Thanks Ron
RV-10 SOLD
RV-14 Flying
AirCam flying
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12-18-2015, 03:57 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Maybe you are misinterpreting what the announcement is saying.....
There will still be plug & play options for the 3 previously mentioned options (Garmin, AFS, and Dynon).
All three have been working to develop their own installation kits and harnesses that will interface with the wiring that has been done in all kits up to this point.
One big benefit is that customers will be buying the entire kit direct from the avionics manufacturer (Stein will be the "kit" supplier for Garmin and can do Dynon as well). Any customer support or troubleshooting help needed after installation will be provided by the people that are most familiar with the system and the kit used to install it.
Before anyone abandons this path, I suggest you talk to the vendors and see what they have to say....
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Scott McDaniels
Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop Manager
Hubbard, Oregon
RV-6A (aka "Junkyard Special ")
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12-18-2015, 04:31 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Boston Area
Posts: 284
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Scott,
You are correct, I did miss that. I am far away from this stage, but will be curious to see prices and options that people choose as they work with Stein and AFS.
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Jeff
RV-14A
Status: Wings complete(ish), Working on: Empennage. Fuselage kit on order
Location:MA
http://vans14a.blogspot.com/
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12-18-2015, 05:13 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
Posts: 1,783
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As an RV12 owner, I think this is an excellent choice on Van's part. Plenty of options, plenty of competition. Ability to customize.
I understand why the RV12 had to have a much more defined configuration. The idea behind the Skyview upgrade was superb. The plug-and-play AV5000 magic box was a great innovation that has since been copied by others and improved. But the execution of the AV5000 is poor. Van's is not an electronics maker and it shows!
It shows in the awful potentiometer placement, for example. Once the radios are installed, access is poor to those. The teeny tiny pot screws (facing inboard and aft) are recessed back from the holes. It is very difficult to see if you have even engaged the screw with your it-had-to-be-cut-in-half tool. Those pots should all have pointed upward.
Also there are wiring errors in it. I bought the Dynon ADSB box a year later. Four wires come from it - Power, Ground, Serial TX and RX. There is a vacant plug on the AV5000 where it was supposed to be plug and play. It wasn't.
Power and ground were OK. The Serial TX and RX have to make their way from the ADSB-IN plug on the magic box, out to the correct two wires on the 37-pin plug into the Dynon screen (where they connected to one of the unused-before-the-ADSB Dynon serial ports). They did not. Traced them, checked every pin connection, power off or on - that plug on the AV5000 went to no serial port at all.
This was easily enough solved by bypassing the magic box for those two wires and putting them straight into the correct two places in the 37 pin Dynon plug. Once the signal made its way into the Skyview, the rest was easy to configure.
So it is a GOOD IDEA for Van's to play to their strengths, and to have strong working relationships with other partners with different strengths - like Avionics.
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Bill H, RV12, N412BR "Sweetie", Skyview-equipped, KASL Marshall TX
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12-18-2015, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV8JD
Small pet peeve:
"Yaw Dampener" should be "Yaw Damper".
Another pet peeve is when pilots spell "hangar" incorrectly.
(OK, I feel better now. Thanks!)
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Sorry, It was likely one of the non engineer types that wrote the document... 
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Opinions, information and comments are my own unless stated otherwise. They do not necessarily represent the direction/opinions of my employer.
Scott McDaniels
Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop Manager
Hubbard, Oregon
RV-6A (aka "Junkyard Special ")
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12-18-2015, 06:21 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_H
The Serial TX and RX have to make their way from the ADSB-IN plug on the magic box, out to the correct two wires on the 37-pin plug into the Dynon screen (where they connected to one of the unused-before-the-ADSB Dynon serial ports). They did not. Traced them, checked every pin connection, power off or on - that plug on the AV5000 went to no serial port at all.
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Sorry Bill,
Not sure what was up with your installation because there have been lots of installations (including all of the S-LSA RV-12's) that are operating fine with the installation done as designed.
But thanks for the confirmation regarding the decision to let Avionics people design and support the avionics....
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Opinions, information and comments are my own unless stated otherwise. They do not necessarily represent the direction/opinions of my employer.
Scott McDaniels
Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop Manager
Hubbard, Oregon
RV-6A (aka "Junkyard Special ")
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12-19-2015, 07:08 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 774
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My wife and I decided that when we were going to build our 14A that we would not do the panel by ourselves. I wanted to A: live long enough to fly the plane, B: have a system that worked without bugs from the first flight forward. That being said, we met with Stein and part of his crew at Osh and were very impressed with their presentation. We came home and went online to Youtube and viewed some of Steins videos and were convinced that he would be the right choice to build our panel. I must also add that Rob Hickman also has a very good case for prebuilt panels for RV's but we wanted more of a custom unit and finally decided on Steinair as our builder. I have to say that up to this point in time we are thoroughly impressed with Steins company, staff and attention to detail. We spent a month going back and forth with panel iterations and it took 14 trys to come up with the final design. All communication with Steinair has been immediate and all is proceeding as promised. I think that we will have our panel before we get our FWF kit. Moneywise, what we decided on is way over what we originally planned on but I know that we will have a panel that will be a work of art and will work properly when it is installed in the plane. I don't want to be chasing squawks on a new aircraft. I know that most builders are on a budget but from my reading on the forums, no almost no one ends up spending what they originally budgeted to build their dream aircraft. Enclosed is a pic of our panel as of this week. I will of course post it again when it is installed on the plane and operational. I will be happy to discuss our design and thoughts that went into building with anyone that is interested. woodmanrog@gmail.com Ho, Ho, Ho and to all a good night.

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12-19-2015, 04:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 474
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Quote:
Originally Posted by woodmanrog
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Looks good. Those top screw holes have to be countersunk. As the canopy comes down, it will hit those screws.
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First RV-14 Flight 04/17/2016
Serial #140087, N214SW - Sold
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12-19-2015, 08:29 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jswareiv
Those top screw holes have to be countersunk. As the canopy comes down, it will hit those screws.
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This is correct.
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Opinions, information and comments are my own unless stated otherwise. They do not necessarily represent the direction/opinions of my employer.
Scott McDaniels
Van's Aircraft Engineering Prototype Shop Manager
Hubbard, Oregon
RV-6A (aka "Junkyard Special ")
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