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Old 12-11-2015, 06:24 AM
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Default Much closer to Vans estimate

I have completed the wings, empennage, fuselage, and am nearing completion of the finishing kit. I have a new engine and propeller standing by in my hangar.

Everything is painted except the stripes on the fuselage, waiting to align the cowling before painting the stripes. I have made modifications for later maintenance, including gear stiffners from Woodmanrog, and personal requirements. Understand every modification you make is just an additional month of work and a thinner wallet. I did it because I had time while waiting for each subkit to become available. The subkits are exceptional and worth the wait. I intend to purchase an IFR Avionics kit through Vans. I anticipate being between $110,000 and $120,000. I could have done it for less as a VFR machine.

If you were to peruse this website for a good rebuilt IO360 and prop, the Vans estimate is actually pretty reasonable.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:32 AM
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When I search Youtube I don't see many videos of this plane.
How many of these planes are flying?
What is the roll rate of this plane compared to the little brother 7?
Also, the price estimator on the Van's site does not have one for the 14.
what are the rough estimates to build this plane, not including the panel?
Thanks in advance
I looked at a 14 being built in Fort Worth, it's a very nice kit but I would call it the RV10 little brother or two seat 10. Build price with new engine, CS prop and middle of the road glass I would estimate at 150k.

I do love this airplane and there is nothing comparable to it on the certified side at twice the price.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:12 AM
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Using all the known costs, and some good estimates, I'd say 120-130.

Airframe kits + Vans IO-390 + Van's Hartzell Constant Speed Prop + Avionics Kit priced same as the RV-12 + an estimated 5500$ for the FFW. and you're at ~105K$.

Add shipping, tools, paint, and 125K$ seems reasonable.

You could try and save with a fixed pitch propeller and doing your own avionics ... Could also consider getting a used angle-valve 360 engine ...
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Old 12-11-2015, 09:31 AM
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Marvin
No autopilot in those numbers?
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Old 12-11-2015, 01:49 PM
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Using all the known costs, and some good estimates, I'd say 120-130.

Airframe kits + Vans IO-390 + Van's Hartzell Constant Speed Prop + Avionics Kit priced same as the RV-12 + an estimated 5500$ for the FFW. and you're at ~105K$.

Add shipping, tools, paint, and 125K$ seems reasonable.

You could try and save with a fixed pitch propeller and doing your own avionics ... Could also consider getting a used angle-valve 360 engine ...
Add autopilot, paint at (13k). Interior, headliners sidewall trim, something a little nicer that the 12 avionics like dual advanced flight touchscreens. Hope you can do it for 125k but my Rv10 cost about 200k to build. It was a little nicer than stock with a custom panel, center console and 50 k in the panel. Don't underestimate all the little stuff as it adds up to big dollars quickly.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:23 PM
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Using all the known costs, and some good estimates, I'd say 120-130.

Airframe kits + Vans IO-390 + Van's Hartzell Constant Speed Prop + Avionics Kit priced same as the RV-12 + an estimated 5500$ for the FFW. and you're at ~105K$.

Add shipping, tools, paint, and 125K$ seems reasonable. [...]
We're expecting to end up somewhere in the area of $140K - $150K for a nicely equipped IFR, glass panel RV-14A.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:40 PM
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Default 100k?

$100k +for a RV-14???? Really??

Those prices are making me feel guilty spending only $35k on my IFR -9 (including rebuilt IO engine and CS prop). My goal was $25k but the IFR stuff did me in. Of course all my stuff is used left overs from my VAF pals.

Maybe somebody will be able to complete one at half the estimated price and give a lot of those armchair dreamers some hope of owning one of these jewels one day.
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:31 PM
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Question Are you serious

How is it possible to build a IFR RV9 for 35000 $ when only the slow build kit cost 23000$ ...??? You spend then only 12000$ for engine, propeller, interior, avionics, whiring hardness, tools, shipping and crating costs, paint...
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Old 12-12-2015, 04:22 AM
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Simple, buy used stuff and make as much as you can. See advice given by Smokey Ray on this site in the past. It can be done but take patience, more work, and persistence. Already this year there have been some really good deals on -14 kits that were offered for sale by builders who lost interest.
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Old 12-12-2015, 06:38 AM
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Marvin
No autopilot in those numbers?
This is one of many reasons you see numbers from a Vans estimate of 90 verses others stating 150,000, quite a range. Vans has no choice but to estimate a basic VFR machine and let the actual builder make the final decisions. For example, lets say we want an autopilot. Below is a range of autopilot options with just one supplier, Garmin.

The Garmin G3X Touch system has all the software built in. Lets say we want a wing leveler like an entry level IFR GA aircraft from the 80s and 90s. One GSA28 servo is $750 plus mountng kit, which is less than $100. We now have a fully functioning wing leveler, but course guidance is thrown in gratis.

Lets say we want both lateral and vertical Nav. Get two GSA28s for $1500 plus two mounting kits.

We want yaw damping? Simply unheard of in single engine aircraft a few years ago and only available in the top level singles today. Get three GSA28s for $2250 plus three mounting kits.

Wow that is a lot of capability, I bet we now want a dedicated autopilot controller head mounted on the panel rather than using the touch screen. Garmin will fix us up with two options the GMC 305 or the newer GMC 307 for $750 or $1099, respectively.

So autopilot is available at anywhere from $850 to $3650 from the same supplier. This is the basic decision tree we will follow with each and every step in the build process. It is both stressful and exhilarating at the same time.

Enjoy the journey.
Respectfully,
Marvin

P.S. - One last thought, I see many completed aircraft for sale at less than it would cost to build. Give it a few years and -14s will become available - a wing kit is already available on this very website. But, for some of us the build is as fun as the flying.
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