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Old 11-06-2015, 03:54 PM
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Regarding letters in FAA Files, the FAA Standard is two years at which time all records pertaining to the event are supposed to be destroyed.

A policy change from the administrator has just been issued stating education NOT enforcement action, when dealing with most violations. POTUS TFR is still likely to be an exception.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:17 PM
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In my senior year of college I was taking a Physics lab that my father was teaching. One afternoon the phone rings at the lab and my dad answers it, he turns around and says, "Dan, it's the F.B.I. And they want to talk to you."
I had forgotten that a couple of months previously I had written the Washington office for some info I needed for an anthropology paper I had to write. It took that long to get bucked down to the SoCal office where it was answered.
I must admit that instantly and uncontrollably my previous actions got a quick mental review!
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Old 11-06-2015, 08:01 PM
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Holy smokes - I just read these reports. I did not realize that you are under no legal or moral obligation to return a call or answer a letter from the FAA except under very specific conditions. The simple act of responding WILL be used against you. Just because they ask you to surrender your certificate - they cannot take if from you except in very specific situations. Keep it in your pocket!

These articles were written before the Pilots Bill of Rights, but I will use extreme caution before responding to anything from the FAA.
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Old 11-07-2015, 04:55 AM
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.. One afternoon the phone rings at the lab and my dad answers it, he turns around and says, "Dan, it's the F.B.I. And they want to talk to you."
I feel your pain One day two guys in dark suits stroll into the store, and show me badges from the IRS Criminal Investigation Division.

Turned out to be a spot audit for compliance with the then-new $10,000 cash reporting rule ( https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8300.pdf ). Not a problem, but still...for a few moments you do tend to review your recent history.

Last time I heard a controller tell somebody to call the tower upon landing, she also told him what he had done (flown through a VIP TFR). That seems like a violation where the pilot is thoroughly busted, but reading the linked AOPA document raises the question of actually identifying him as the PIC. If he had filed a flight plan, Block 14 hangs him, but otherwise, it seems the FAA would need a witness when he lands, or a pilot admission via that phone call.

I'm not suggesting that pilots should hide, but I am curious; how would the FAA identify the typical VFR PIC?
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:01 AM
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I wouldn't make the call.
I had a friend who had made that call after a school teacher reported a low flying aircraft above the school on the anniversary of 911.
He made the call and lost his flying privileges for 6 months. He had no way to defend himself. His attorney said, in the future. "Don't make the call"
He didn't realize there was a school close to the traffic pattern. He paid the price for it. It was unintentional.

Prior to that incident, I had returned a call at the towers request. I was accused of busting a class D airspace enroute. I denied it as I was showing & explaining to my passenger the airspace rules while I flew outside it. They just told me to get training on the local airspace. Never again will I make the call.
I rather lose the six months suspension from flying than be like a fugitive. If I did something wrong, I like to know about it so I can learn from it and if it is sever enough, than need to be held accountable. I did get a call-the-tower request once, which I nervously did so but it was very cordial, informative for me and non-consequential. If I ever get a request for call-the-xxx, I will without seeking legal representative unless I know of the law that I had broken and that a lawyer was needed to guide me thru the process.
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Old 11-07-2015, 10:11 AM
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I've never understood how suspending a license will make somebody a safer pilot. We have hard data that shows that people should fly MORE often to be safer pilots, and then we tell somebody he can't fly for 6 months? I understand the need for negative reinforcement and incentives, etc, but how about mandatory training courses, etc? At least on the first offense....

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Old 11-07-2015, 12:48 PM
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I've never understood how suspending a license will make somebody a safer pilot. We have hard data that shows that people should fly MORE often to be safer pilots, and then we tell somebody he can't fly for 6 months? I understand the need for negative reinforcement and incentives, etc, but how about mandatory training courses, etc? At least on the first offense....

Chris
Because punishing someone makes it look like you're "doing something" or being "tough on crime". This "gotta punish harshly for everything" mentality isn't limited to the FAA, either. But I'll stop there.
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Old 11-07-2015, 01:44 PM
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If you google XYZ FSDO office you will find a list of all Aviaition
Safety Inspectors in that office, as well as the name of the office manager. The inspectors will be identified regarding their specialty, operations, maintenance, avionics, etc.
So if you are concerned about an imposter, ask to call back, look up the info and check it out. You will very likely find the name and direct phone number of the person who called.
This does not appear to be the case, at least at the Reno FSDO. I just looked through their entire website. There is a list of DAR's DER's, DPE's. I found one PDF document that had a list of names of "points of contact" for various topics, none of which had any contact info, and it was dated 2012.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:04 PM
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This does not appear to be the case, at least at the Reno FSDO. I just looked through their entire website. There is a list of DAR's DER's, DPE's. I found one PDF document that had a list of names of "points of contact" for various topics, none of which had any contact info, and it was dated 2012.
Interesting. I did this just a couple of weeks ago fro two other FSDO's by clicking on contact office, which then displayed employee directory at bottom of page. Employee directory does not display for Reno.
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Old 11-07-2015, 03:07 PM
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I also tried two others by searching XYZ flight standards district office employee directory. Worked for both.
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