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11-05-2015, 01:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Originally Posted by scsmith
Wouldn't the ADS-B be an asset for keeping track of where the Mooney is?
One thing I've never quite grasped is how you can keep sight on the opponent as both aircraft maneuver after a neutral break.
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No time to look at ADS-B. Regarding how you do it, kind of like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvZ0FivVPsU
...and yes, if your neck isn't somewhat sore the next day, you didn't do a great job. This was at no more than about 5G; I can't imagine how painful 9 would be.
Full Disclosure: I've learned from professionals, but am only a hobbyist and not a military-trained pilot.
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11-05-2015, 05:26 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Highland Village, TX
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I was talking with approach not too long ago, had a squawk code and was being vectored to the final approach coarse (VFR conditions and no hood). Had just centered on the localizer and was about to cross the FAF. They called traffic two miles at my 2 o'clock. Um, no, it's directly in front of me my altitude. I climbed a few hundred feet to go over it - a Cessna 172. I'd been watching him for ten seconds or so before they called it...
Paraphrasing Jurassic Park......traffic finds a way.
And that A2A dogfight talk, what parts I understood, was pretty funny <g>.
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Last edited by DeltaRomeo : 11-05-2015 at 05:27 PM.
Reason: typo fix
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11-05-2015, 07:54 PM
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: AZ/MN
Posts: 376
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Originally Posted by Steve51B
I'm in a hangar with 3 other planes near the interior rings of a Class B area. I'm the only plane in that hangar that has an electrical system and is required to have a transponder. Of course it's on all the time, but those other guys don't even have them.
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I think I am at the same airport so thanks for the heads up. Do they have a radio?
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11-05-2015, 10:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1,670
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"Scroll" speaketh the truth. As only an F-4 pilot can speaketh it.
Been there, done that, and even taught it!!
BTW, a classic rolling scissors in two RV's can be done inside a small indoor stadium! Canopy to Canopy is scary when you are used to jet speeds!!
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Originally Posted by scrollF4
I disagree. ALWAYS break into the threat. In this case, a right break with chaff and flares into the bandit Mooney, in plane, but prepared to immediately and violently rudder out of plane if he attempts a guns track or snapshot. But then I too would anticipate an overshoot reversal opportunity if he doesn't arrest his energy surplus. Like you said, if his fangs are out, be ready for a rolling scissors. If he extends, he's giving you his 6, but your WEZ will be momentary: His energy advantage will set up his separation. 
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11-06-2015, 08:04 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
Cruising 6 gph at 1500 AGL - a sitting duck for sure. 
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There are doves and then there are HAWKS!
(I'm a pigeon as I'm too old, fat and slow to be a dove!)
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11-06-2015, 08:05 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri
Posts: 4,514
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Originally Posted by scrollF4
I disagree. ALWAYS break into the threat. In this case, a right break with chaff and flares into the bandit Mooney, in plane, but prepared to immediately and violently rudder out of plane if he attempts a guns track or snapshot. But then I too would anticipate an overshoot reversal opportunity if he doesn't arrest his energy surplus. Like you said, if his fangs are out, be ready for a rolling scissors. If he extends, he's giving you his 6, but your WEZ will be momentary: His energy advantage will set up his separation. 
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Interesting. I did instinctively roll into him, he in fact zoomed by and quite by accident I found myself at his six. He must have wondered where I was when he suddenly broke left in a steep turn. That's when I broke right and departed the area not knowing for sure where this might lead too.
Looking back, maybe I could have been a fighter pilot except that SAC drafted our entire F-86 class due to a shortage of bomber and tanker pilots. it was fate, as they say, quite a number of guys did not survive VN in fighters, no tanker pilots bit the dust that I know of although we did see a MIG one day. He high tailed it when he saw the 2 F-4's escorting us. The KC-135 had no defense except to go full throttle and depart the area. The 135 would go through Mach 1 straight and level although is was forbidden due to mach meter error.
Those were days of uncertainty - seemed like that conflict would never end. One of my friends in the tanker outfit volunteered for 105's, the shortage was reversed now due to Thud losses, he was killed on his first mission up north. We set up a tanker cross country from Texas to California to get him on his way to VN after 105 training that November. Three months later we attended a funeral service in OK, his body was never recovered. War is ****, don't ever think it isn't and that one was awful with its politically imposed limitations. Over 59,000 body bags and no victory, what a mess it was.
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Last edited by David-aviator : 11-06-2015 at 08:51 AM.
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11-06-2015, 09:21 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Tuttle, Oklahoma
Posts: 2,563
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
Interesting. I did instinctively roll into him, he in fact zoomed by and quite by accident I found myself at his six. He must have wondered where I was when he suddenly broke left in a steep turn. That's when I broke right and departed the area not knowing for sure where this might lead too.
Looking back, maybe I could have been a fighter pilot except that SAC drafted our entire F-86 class due to a shortage of bomber and tanker pilots. it was fate, as they say, quite a number of guys did not survive VN in fighters, no tanker pilots bit the dust that I know of although we did see a MIG one day. He high tailed it when he saw the 2 F-4's escorting us. The KC-135 had no defense except to go full throttle and depart the area. The 135 would go through Mach 1 straight and level although is was forbidden due to mach meter error.
Those were days of uncertainty - seemed like that conflict would never end. One of my friends in the tanker outfit volunteered for 105's, the shortage was reversed now due to Thud losses, he was killed on his first mission up north. We set up a tanker cross country from Texas to California to get him on his way to VN after 105 training that November. Three months later we attended a funeral service in OK, his body was never recovered. War is ****, don't ever think it isn't and that one was awful with its politically imposed limitations. Over 59,000 body bags and no victory, what a mess it was.
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Mr. Domeier, no words can express the feelings I have when talking with true battle honed veterans. I am a veteran but will openly admit that I was in the military during peace time and not for very long at that. For those of you who experienced the horrors of war I have great respect for all of you. Your post puts an exclamation on the mental pictures of a small glimpse of what you must have experienced during that time. Thank you sir for your service. And thank you goes to all who endured combat in past conflicts.
To all of you:
Live Long and Prosper!
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11-06-2015, 09:28 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Tuttle, Oklahoma
Posts: 2,563
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
Xaon or Zaon is dead, out of business, only collision avoidance devices with ACS and Sporty's are ADS-B. Will check out Monroy, I've used the other and it is better than nothing.
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Originally Posted by RVbySDI
The Xaon XRX is really quite good at detecting traffic. Presently I am running a Xaon XRX on my GRT moving map while running a Garmin GDL-39 on my 695 GPS. The Xaon almost always reports traffic long before the GDL-39 does (if it ever does).
I don't think I would disregard buying a used Xaon unit. I have seen several for sale on this forum in the past few months. I know the company is out of business but as long as the unit is operational I cannot see why it would not continue working for many many years. The electronics in the unit really don't care that the manufacturer is no longer making new ones. It will still work as long as electricity and data signals flow through it.
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Here is the latest unit for sale on the forum ( although I see now it might already be taken):
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=131172
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11-06-2015, 09:04 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri
Posts: 4,514
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Originally Posted by RVbySDI
Mr. Domeier, no words can express the feelings I have when talking with true battle honed veterans. I am a veteran but will openly admit that I was in the military during peace time and not for very long at that. For those of you who experienced the horrors of war I have great respect for all of you. Your post puts an exclamation on the mental pictures of a small glimpse of what you must have experienced during that time. Thank you sir for your service. And thank you goes to all who endured combat in past conflicts.
To all of you:
Live Long and Prosper!
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Thanks for the kudos. I don't deserve them. The cushiest job over there was being on a tanker crew and we knew it. The days and nights were long, we flew upwards of a 100 hours a month, but we slept in a real bed, had hot food and cold beer every night.
Our crew slept in a tent just one night after a day when 2 of 4 105's were shot down. We topped off all of them going in and then the 2 still flying again, again and again as they kept going back in to cover the downed guys until a chopper could pick them up. We ran very low on fuel and spent the night at the 105 forward base. The only concrete at the place was the runway and ramp, the rest of it was water, floating walk ways, bugs, snakes and tents.
If the moderators will be patient with this digression, I'd like to mention a real hero I met a couple weeks ago at young eagles rally, his grandkids were getting a ride.
He is a retired Marine Sargent. His job was to trek into the Ho Chi Min Trail through the jungle and plant seismic sensors along it. These guys carried rations, weapons, and the devices through enemy territory, slept on the ground, planted the devices along the trail and made there way out same as coming in. The operation was classified until just recently so he could talk about it. These devices were very high tech back then, picked up traffic on the trail, transmitted it to receivers somewhere and were programmed to self destruct by an explosive charge after so many days. He said it was really tricky to get in there, not have them blow up while going through the jungle and not being detected by the Vietcong. This guy was tough, even at age 70+ he was impressive.
We all serve when called, some of us just serve a little more intensely than others, like the Marine Sargent.
Flew again today with absolutely no traffic sighted. It was so quiet tower cleared me to land six miles out...go figure, but it sure is not reason to relax the scan. The enemy is out there.
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Last edited by David-aviator : 11-06-2015 at 09:07 PM.
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11-07-2015, 09:48 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Montreal
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ok you got overtaken by a Mooney and you are admitting it?  I'd sooner admit to bed wetting or the clap.
Oh wait... 7 A.... never mind.
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