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11-05-2015, 06:25 AM
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Amazing!!
I fly locally a lot and never see another airplane - yesterday had 2 close encounters. One guy in a Mooney, appeared to have jumped me from 5 o'clock, I broke the other way in a 180 and he kept on going. The others was a Cherokee minding his own business.
I hate to spend more money on this airplane but it looks like ADS-B is a coming necessity. I don't like in flight surprises.
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11-05-2015, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
I fly locally a lot and never see another airplane - yesterday had 2 close encountered. One guy a Mooney, appeared to have jumped me from 5 o'clock, I broke the other way in a 180 and he kept on going. The others was a Cherokee minding his own business.
I hate to spend more money on this airplane but it looks like ADS-B is a coming necessity. I don't like in flight surprises.
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I don't think ADS-B will help.
If a Mooney is jumping you from five o'clock, then that implies he already has a serious energy advantage. If he was set up for a close-in flight path overshoot, a break turn may temporarily neutralize his attack but he will still have a net energy advantage while you've just used more of your energy in the turn.
One option might be a lag/displacement roll to your left. This will force the Mooney to overshoot while preserving your energy state and putting you in an offensive position. Depending on his experience, the Mooney driver will likely extend and disengage. Be prepared for a rolling scissors however if the Mooney driver possesses the spirit of attack.
Not sure how ADS-B is of any help in this scenario. 
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11-05-2015, 06:38 AM
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Not a pleasant surprise . . .
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
I fly locally a lot and never see another airplane - yesterday had 2 close encountered. One guy a Mooney, appeared to have jumped me from 5 o'clock, I broke the other way in a 180 and he kept on going. The others was a Cherokee minding his own business.
I hate to spend more money on this airplane but it looks like ADS-B is a coming necessity. I don't like in flight surprises.
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A Mooney caught you? Flying around the Gulf Coast, there was a lot of traffic below 4000, so I tended to fly higher (or lower along the beach :roll eyes  .
Were you . . .climbing, cruising, landing, maneuvering?
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11-05-2015, 06:44 AM
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PCAS
Have you flown with a simple PCAS device, Xaon or Monroy? They aren't 100% effective and are certainly no replacement for prudence, but they can provide a nice tap on the shoulder from time to time. I intend to keep mine in place even after adding adbs traffic. I'm sure it would have given you a few extra moments notice on at least one of your targets!
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11-05-2015, 06:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefPilot
I don't think ADS-B will help.
If a Mooney is jumping you from five o'clock, then that implies he already has a serious energy advantage. If he was set up for a close-in flight path overshoot, a break turn may temporarily neutralize his attack but he will still have a net energy advantage while you've just used more of your energy in the turn.
One option might be a lag/displacement roll to your left. This will force the Mooney to overshoot while preserving your energy state and putting you in an offensive position. Depending on his experience, the Mooney driver will likely extend and disengage. Be prepared for a rolling scissors however if the Mooney driver possesses the spirit of attack.
Not sure how ADS-B is of any help in this scenario. 
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11-05-2015, 06:53 AM
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Flight following could have helped and way cheaper than ADS-B. 
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11-05-2015, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BillL
A Mooney caught you? Flying around the Gulf Coast, there was a lot of traffic below 4000, so I tended to fly higher (or lower along the beach :roll eyes  .
Were you . . .climbing, cruising, landing, maneuvering?
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Cruising 6 gph at 1500 AGL - a sitting duck for sure. 
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11-05-2015, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mosquito
Have you flown with a simple PCAS device, Xaon or Monroy? They aren't 100% effective and are certainly no replacement for prudence, but they can provide a nice tap on the shoulder from time to time. I intend to keep mine in place even after adding adbs traffic. I'm sure it would have given you a few extra moments notice on at least one of your targets!
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Xaon or Zaon is dead, out of business, only collision avoidance devices with ACS and Sporty's are ADS-B. Will check out Monroy, I've used the other and it is better than nothing.
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11-05-2015, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefPilot
I don't think ADS-B will help.
One option might be a lag/displacement roll to your left. This will force the Mooney to overshoot while preserving your energy state and putting you in an offensive position. Depending on his experience, the Mooney driver will likely extend and disengage. Be prepared for a rolling scissors however if the Mooney driver possesses the spirit of attack.
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I disagree. ALWAYS break into the threat. In this case, a right break with chaff and flares into the bandit Mooney, in plane, but prepared to immediately and violently rudder out of plane if he attempts a guns track or snapshot. But then I too would anticipate an overshoot reversal opportunity if he doesn't arrest his energy surplus. Like you said, if his fangs are out, be ready for a rolling scissors. If he extends, he's giving you his 6, but your WEZ will be momentary: His energy advantage will set up his separation. 
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11-05-2015, 07:08 AM
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Personally, I make it a point to never fly slowly enough to be overtaken by a Mooney.
Push it up to 8 GPH... That should do it. 
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