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10-13-2015, 12:22 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
The FAA does not have a provision for airplanes without an electric system, as far as I know. We have airplanes flying here out of Class D airspace under the Class B veil without a transponder. What will happen to the market value of them and their pilots?
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The above is not correct. FAR 91.225(e) specifically exempts aircraft built with no electrical systems from the ADSB requirement when operating under class B airspace.
That being said, I predict you will see a migration to airports just outside the mode C veil. It used to be that hangars got cheaper the further away you got from the city. I think you will see hangar prices rise at airports just outside the veil.
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10-13-2015, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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Originally Posted by FLightning
Can the FAA interrogate your transponder to see who it belongs to? Since it has a ICAO code attached to it.
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And they hold on to all that data. Two years ago at OSH a friend walked up to the FAA's ADS-B both, gave them his N-number and they pulled up all of his flights, including the ones he took without Flight Following.
My friend asked if the FAA was going to use that data for enforcement actions and the FAA guy was non-committal. My friend then told the FAA guy that if they started doing that, then the pilots always have the option of leaving the ADS-B and transponders turned off. I've never seen a Fed get so flustered in my life. He couldn't believe that a pilot would do such a thing. We both smiled and walked away.
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10-13-2015, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by N941WR
And they hold on to all that data. Two years ago at OSH a friend walked up to the FAA's ADS-B both, gave them his N-number and they pulled up all of his flights, including the ones he took without Flight Following.
My friend asked if the FAA was going to use that data for enforcement actions and the FAA guy was non-committal. My friend then told the FAA guy that if they started doing that, then the pilots always have the option of leaving the ADS-B and transponders turned off. I've never seen a Fed get so flustered in my life. He couldn't believe that a pilot would do such a thing. We both smiled and walked away.
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Of course, it's NOT an option. The FARs require that if you have these devices installed and operational then they must be turned on.
There are rules, and as a pilot you're expected to follow them. I don't see this as a big deal.
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10-13-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BobTurner
Of course, it's NOT an option. The FARs require that if you have these devices installed and operational then they must be turned on.
There are rules, and as a pilot you're expected to follow them. I don't see this as a big deal.
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And how many people have "forgot" to turn them on? Heck I flew from SC to TX with my transponder's altitude reporting turned off. I didn't talk to anyone on that trip and didn't realize it until I was on the ground in Houston.
All I'm saying is that if the FAA starts mining the ASB-B data for violations, a little civil disobedience can go a long way. (Let us hope it never goes that far!)
All that said, if you can avoid installing ADS-B, do so. I couldn't and don't like the ability of the FAA tracking every flight. I have a friend who gets alerts whenever the FAA picks up my discrete transponder signature and calls to see how the flight went. There is no hiding with ADS-B and if you think you will never bust some airspace, you are kidding yourself. 10 feet inside their airspace is as good as a mile and who's at fault if our moving map display is not accurate?
(Bob, but using the word "you", I am referring to all of us, not just you Bob.)
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10-13-2015, 03:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Denver, CO
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Originally Posted by Walt
I sell the L3 NGT-9000 for $5895 with everything included. When you add up the price for a new transponder, certified GPS source and ADS-B receiver it's really very competitive.
It also has a very nice touch screen display that shows weather and traffic.
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Slightly tangential to the topic, but if I installed an NGT-9000 (with it's TSO'ed GPS) and used it to drive my EFIS, could I file IFR with /G?
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10-13-2015, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ccrawford
Slightly tangential to the topic, but if I installed an NGT-9000 (with it's TSO'ed GPS) and used it to drive my EFIS, could I file IFR with /G?
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simple answer is no. part of what makes a system /G approved is the data base and the software that runs it. just having a position source that is ADSB compliant does not meet the requirements to file /G.
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10-13-2015, 03:53 PM
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Location: Denver, CO
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That's what I was thinking as well. What if I loaded Jepp or Seattle Avionics charts into my GRT?
Or is that a no because the EFIS is not TSO'ed?
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10-13-2015, 05:01 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Originally Posted by ccrawford
That's what I was thinking as well. What if I loaded Jepp or Seattle Avionics charts into my GRT?
Or is that a no because the EFIS is not TSO'ed?
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Right, still no good, because the TSO applies to the whole system. Of course, as has been discussed to death, strictly speaking the box does not have to have a TSO, if you can show that it in fact meets the TSO requirements. But TSOs 145/146 are so detailed it's impossible for the average person to do so.
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10-13-2015, 05:03 PM
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I'm still interested in seeing whether the value of our planes go up or down as this mandate approaches. There are going to be a LOT of airplanes flooding the market in the next few years -- people who don't want to spend $6,000 for the "affordable" version of complying with the mandate.
So if you spend the money to comply, does your RV go up in value because it's mandate compliant? Or does it go down because there are so many airplanes flooding the market?
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10-13-2015, 05:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Fredericksburg, Tx.
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ADSB
When and where is ADSB GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN CANADA? I don't really want the FAA to know anything about me unless I'm IFR. I will wait until the last minute to install and stay out of the C ring and go VFR.
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