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Old 09-23-2015, 03:38 PM
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Sorry, but the only ones that KNOW, arent here to tell us why they were there, and what they were doing. As for the license, he did have some training, apparently didnt finish up. Also---some one has been flying it to and from Daytona Beach lately.
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Old 09-23-2015, 03:39 PM
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Even incorrect speculation can lead to valuable lessons. And it's prevention of recurrence that's important, not accurate determination of the accident chain.
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Old 09-23-2015, 03:50 PM
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Hey gents, those are the rules. I too don't always agree with them, and I get moderated as much as anybody, but...
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:49 PM
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... the insurance company wanted copies of my license, medical, last three pages of my log book, tailwheel endorsement, and last biannual. I was told that if any of them were not accurate and up to date, they could refuse the claim.
This was my experience recently. They trust when writing the policy and verify if/when a claim is filed.

And it wasn't just MY data, they got the engine, prop, airframe logs, and the AROW docs as well.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:58 PM
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I am very familiar with VAF Rule #2. However, lessons to be considered from preliminary facts - not speculation - warrant discussion.

Fact: 5 bodies were pulled from a 4-seat airplane.

I'm not an RV-10 guy, but here is what Vans says about the RV-10:
The baggage compartment will accept 100 lbs of "stuff" loaded through the baggage door on the left side. If fewer than four people are traveling, the rear seat backs may be removed in a couple of minutes for extra baggage space.

Question 1: Can a 5th passenger fit in the baggage space?
Question 2: Is this a unique idea or has it been tried before? (Don't expect anyone to fess up - but if so, I'd file it somewhere under "Dodging a Bullet.")
I sit back there, sideways, all the time, when removing the aft bulkhead screws. So yes it can be done. No, I haven't tried it in flight - no seat belt there. Also, for quite a few years the baggage area was labeled by Vans as for up to 150 lbs. My -10 is on the light side, and empty cg on the forward side. I could load myself, 3 140 lb men, one 120 lb woman in the baggage area, and be within cg limits. Other planes are of course different. I leave these as the facts, will not speculate on the cause.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:37 PM
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When I saw 5, I went to Vans site and saw the comment - "carries 4 FAA adults and still allows 60# in baggage" , 10 drivers can say if that is accurate WRT W&B. Is that a 175# adult or a 195# adult? Did that change for GA?

While this can draw speculation, I would trust that a pilot would know what the W&B was and stay within it. That is my thinking until a report says otherwise.
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This is truly sad and bizzare. I hope some information is obtained possibly from the cellphones.
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:52 PM
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This is truly sad and bizzare. I hope some information is obtained possibly from the cellphones.
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Three cellular telephones and two electronic data cards were retained for examination at the NTSB Vehicle Recorders Laboratory.
Those data cards may have come from the AFS EFIS'S installed on the -10. If so, between those and the toxicology tests they are sure to run, many of our questions will be answered.
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There are many puzzling things about this tragedy but beside the fact that there were 5 souls on board a 4 place plane, it doesn't say anything about the ELT signal. It took some 12 hours to locate it.
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Those data cards may have come from the AFS EFIS'S installed on the -10. If so, between those and the toxicology tests they are sure to run, many of our questions will be answered.

In keeps of rule #2 as we've been admonished, I whole heartedly agree.
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