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Old 09-10-2015, 04:22 PM
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The Show Planes FPS for the RV 10 has 4 settings. The problem is full retract takes it to the reflex position (position one), then you need to bump it forward to the zero setting (position two) i.e. If you had a sudden go around scenario. I was looking at the Show planes, FPS-plus reflex. It looks like on retract it go's to zero. But you can bump it into a preset reflex position during cruise flight.

Am I correct or did I miss something. Those of you that have these units I would like to hear your input before ordering one or the other. Thanks...
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Old 09-10-2015, 04:44 PM
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That is how mine works, but I have never had an issue with it-------for a go around, just hit the switch to up, and pour on the coals. The 3 degree up is not noticeable IMHO.
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Old 09-10-2015, 04:53 PM
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I'm with Mike. To take it one step further, I never takeoff with the flaps at zero. I always use the reflex position. If I am doing short field or soft field work I would use 15 degrees, but the zero position, IMHO, is useless. I have a Vp and I set it for reflex, 10, 20 & 30.
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:13 PM
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I use the 0 deg setting in a few cases. I am glad to have it. I like to use it when i am flying slower than 120 IAS. I use it when i am flying slow to give a scenic tour or something like that. It really helps the plane fly slower.

Also, i use it such as in the pattern, on final or after the FAF. Again when i am flying slower than 120 IAS.
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Old 09-10-2015, 06:12 PM
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I keep meaning to experiment with 0 deg flaps in cruise up high. My one try (at DA = 16K') I couldn't tell any difference, but it wasn't perfectly smooth that day.
I agree with the others, on retraction the motion is slow enough that going all the way up on a go-around is no issue, with the-10's power.
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Old 09-10-2015, 06:33 PM
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I keep meaning to experiment with 0 deg flaps in cruise up high. My one try (at DA = 16K') I couldn't tell any difference, but it wasn't perfectly smooth that day.
I agree with the others, on retraction the motion is slow enough that going all the way up on a go-around is no issue, with the-10's power.
I didn't try 0 per say. I used -3 for all the way up, -1 for down about 1/2 inch at trailing edge, 1 for down about 1 inch at trailing edge. I don't know the exact degrees....

Based on these tests. I now fly with the flaps down approx at the 0 degree position from take-off and climb until the IAS reaches 135 knots then retract to the reflex position.



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Old 09-11-2015, 09:18 AM
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0 degrees flap setting gets you off the ground several hundred feet shorter than reflex. My flap settings are... -3 (cruise), 0 (take off), 1/2, and full.

From my transition training notes: "Cruise in flap reflex position. Flying flap reflex in pattern acts to slow airspeed. Takeoff using flap reflex adds 200-300? to roll out."

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Ok, so is the standard reflex position -3 degrees. I have read older post where some have "played" with the reflex setting in cruise flight using somewhere close to -10 down to zero. How is this done. Does the flap control allow intermittent stops. If Im not mistaken, the reflex increases air speed by reducing drag on the airfoil, the wing. Having a negative camber does not impact a take off/ go around since you have reduced available airfoil? -3 degrees is not to aggressive, so I can see maybe minimal airflow impact at low speeds, but I imagine if it was greater than that it would have some impact.
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Ok, so is the standard reflex position -3 degrees. I have read older post where some have "played" with the reflex setting in cruise flight using somewhere close to -10 down to zero. How is this done. Does the flap control allow intermittent stops. If Im not mistaken, the reflex increases air speed by reducing drag on the airfoil, the wing. Having a negative camber does not impact a take off/ go around since you have reduced available airfoil? -3 degrees is not to aggressive, so I can see maybe minimal airflow impact at low speeds, but I imagine if it was greater than that it would have some impact.
1. With most of the flap control systems installed, it's necessary to extend down to some pre-set, then put the switch full up to retract, then to neutral to stop the retraction at the desired point. You can stop anywhere you want on the way up, but not down. (well, you could flip to "up" while going down, but I don't like to do that).

2. Negative camber does reduce the lift available at some given airspeed and angle of attack. Given that you want to rotate at (to) some given angle of attack which has some safety margin over stall, while still providing 1g of lift, that means you need to be going faster if you take off at -3 deg (full up) vs 0 degrees (in trail). Personally I generally use 0 deg (in trail) for takeoffs, but cannot fault those who just take off with full up flaps. I do have to remember to retract the flaps once I'm up.
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