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View Poll Results: Your RV-10's Empty Weight?
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1475 - 1525
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1.82% |
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1525 - 1575
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7.27% |
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1575 - 1625
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14.55% |
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1625 - 1675
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27.27% |
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1675 - 1725
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30.91% |
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1725 - 1775
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3 |
5.45% |
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1775 - 1825
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3.64% |
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1825- 1875
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3.64% |
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1875 - 1925
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0% |
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1925 - 1975
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5.45% |

08-06-2015, 08:58 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Brooksville, MS
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teal green is winning!!! 
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08-07-2015, 08:19 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Just Minutes from KBVI!
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Bumping the thread-- I hope to get as large a sample size as possible!
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08-07-2015, 10:16 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clarion, Pennsylvania
Posts: 550
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Don't take this the wrong way, I have a smile on my face, but the only thing you learn from a poll like this is what everyone else is doing. It does nothing to illuminate the functional tradeoffs involving cost, complexity, build time and difficulty, comfort, performance, etc. As a couple of posters have noted, what really matters are your personal priorities. I would suggest that following the flock is not a good way to build an airplane that fits your needs and desires.
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RV-10 N784JC
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08-07-2015, 10:49 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: San Diego, Ca
Posts: 431
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How to Predict
The problem is trying to predict in advance where your plane will end up. Unless you weigh each item as it's added.(which I know guys DO do that). I, of course, want to keep our plane light for both performance and useful load, but, I also want what I want. Like Bob said, certain creature comforts. Both for myself and for future resale value should that happen. So, I've tried to pick my battles: SOME soundproofing, but not everywhere. Carbon fiber everywhere I can afford. Composite prop, no AC etc. BUT, because of our set up, I have dual batteries,dual alt, I wanted a comfy interior, full IFR capabilities, O2 system(easily removable to save 10lbs if there's 4 of us on a shorter flight). I'm only hoping that I end up SUB 1700, and that my CG ends up either middle or forward as expected so I can control it. If it ends up too far back then I either need to get fat, or start moving things... 
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08-07-2015, 01:14 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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Originally Posted by aturner
Don't take this the wrong way, I have a smile on my face, but the only thing you learn from a poll like this is what everyone else is doing. It does nothing to illuminate the functional tradeoffs involving cost, complexity, build time and difficulty, comfort, performance, etc. As a couple of posters have noted, what really matters are your personal priorities. I would suggest that following the flock is not a good way to build an airplane that fits your needs and desires.
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Andy,
I understand your comment, and rest assured that I'm planning on building the plane I want. But i am also interested in the distribution of weights that people have achieved. To be perfectly frank, I'm not asking for advice here, I'm asking for raw data that I will use to assess the possibilities. If i wanted to, for instance, target a 1550 lb empty weight, and only 1% of RV10s have achieved that, I might reasonably conclude that there are substantial barriers involved, i.e. no one else wants a plane that light or, more realistically, that with desirable options, that weight is impractical without significant expense in terms of money or tradeoffs.
I would be willing to bet, at the end of this, given a sufficient sample size, that anything outside of 1 -1.5 standard deviations from the mean will represent significant cost or sacrificee of capability/comfort.
I do intend to weigh options quite literally, by estimating their installed weight before purchasing them, so as to allow me to make informed decisions about appropriate equipment for my needs.
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08-07-2015, 01:42 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Clarion, Pennsylvania
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Got it. One consideration is that we don't know for the airplanes on the light end just what is included in that weight. Might be interesting to look at specific airplanes. As I recall, the factory demonstrator, Van's personal -10, and my own stock and simple 10 are all around 1600 lbs. I'm pretty certain that is a solid floor for an airplane with paint and four seats (perhaps minus a new light weight battery). We need to get together sometime and trade notes. Good Luck,
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RV-10 N784JC
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08-07-2015, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by aturner
Got it. One consideration is that we don't know for the airplanes on the light end just what is included in that weight. Might be interesting to look at specific airplanes. As I recall, the factory demonstrator, Van's personal -10, and my own stock and simple 10 are all around 1600 lbs. I'm pretty certain that is a solid floor for an airplane with paint and four seats (perhaps minus a new light weight battery). We need to get together sometime and trade notes. Good Luck,
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Andy, I agree we should meet up sometime. I'll fly up to AXQ in the Warrior or you can trek to BVI, your preference.
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08-07-2015, 08:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New Smyrna Beach, FL
Posts: 1,339
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Finished in 2008, Re-weighed within the last couple of years. 1711 as it sits today. Paint, Flightline AC airconditioning, tip tanks, 1 PC-925 battery, B&C 20 amp standby alternator, VP200 duo with climate control, Flightline Interiors upholstery, Airwolf remote oil filter, National Airparts 70 amp alternator. Probably a few more little items, but I can't think of 'em right now.
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RV-10 N380DM
New Smyrna Beach, FL
VAF Paid 1/21/2020
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08-08-2015, 07:15 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Locust Grove, GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluelabel
The problem is trying to predict in advance where your plane will end up. Unless you weigh each item as it's added.(which I know guys DO do that). I, of course, want to keep our plane light for both performance and useful load, but, I also want what I want. Like Bob said, certain creature comforts. Both for myself and for future resale value should that happen. So, I've tried to pick my battles: SOME soundproofing, but not everywhere. Carbon fiber everywhere I can afford. Composite prop, no AC etc. BUT, because of our set up, I have dual batteries,dual alt, I wanted a comfy interior, full IFR capabilities, O2 system(easily removable to save 10lbs if there's 4 of us on a shorter flight). I'm only hoping that I end up SUB 1700, and that my CG ends up either middle or forward as expected so I can control it. If it ends up too far back then I either need to get fat, or start moving things... 
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I think a good poll to go along with this one is a CG poll. Based on other threads, I've seen where many folks have CGs that are aft of what I consider the most desirable location for the types of loads I wanted to carry. I wound up with a tail heavy-ish plane, and am glad that I did not opt for a composite prop, or dual batteries, which would have exasperated my problem. As it is, I had to move my battery to the firewall to get it where I wanted.
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Aaron Sims
RV-10 (2015 Bronze Lindy)
RV-6A (sold)
Home Field: Mallards Landing (GA04)
Locust Grove, GA
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08-08-2015, 10:13 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
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Originally Posted by GTWreck
I think a good poll to go along with this one is a CG poll. Based on other threads, I've seen where many folks have CGs that are aft of what I consider the most desirable location for the types of loads I wanted to carry. I wound up with a tail heavy-ish plane, and am glad that I did not opt for a composite prop, or dual batteries, which would have exasperated my problem. As it is, I had to move my battery to the firewall to get it where I wanted.
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After talking with the resident statistician, I am considering setting up a Survey Monkey survey with additional questions...
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