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08-07-2015, 06:18 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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AIRCRAFT TYPE / SPECIAL EQUIPMENT
I have some confusion about filling in block 3 of an FAA flight plan; (Aircraft Type / Special Equipment) I thought it was RV12/G, but I am not so sure about the equipment suffix now. I'm fully Dynon equipped with a Skyview touch, Mode S transponder, and the ADS-B box. I'm not sure that the "G" states it well. Any thoughts??
Tom
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08-07-2015, 06:24 AM
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I had the same confusion and was advised to simply use /U.
I'll be interested to see what others recommend. (I have dual G3X touch/ADS-B, ES transponder)
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08-07-2015, 07:21 AM
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You file /G if you have an IFR certified GPS navigator installed in your aircraft. Neither the DYNON SkyView or Garmin G3X systems are IFR certified navigators so you use /U. Now, if you had a Garmin 430 or equivalent certified IFR GPS navigation equipment then you would file /G.

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Last edited by GalinHdz : 08-07-2015 at 07:58 AM.
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08-07-2015, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GalinHdz
You file /G if you have an IFR certified GPS navigator installed in your aircraft. Neither the DYNON SkyView or Garmin G3X systems are IFR certified navigators so you use /U. Now, if you had a Garmin 430 or equivalent certified IFR GPS navigation equipment then you would file /G.

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Hey Galin, you may well be correct, but I cannot find "IFR Certified" in the FAA documentation on the use of /G.
This is an excerpt of the equipment code suffix usage: Note that it says "capabilites", not IFR certified.
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/G Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or WAAS, with enroute and terminal capability.
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The above is from the (AFS-410, 7/31/05). If you can offer some documentation to support your statement, it would be greatly appreciated.
Tom
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1998- RV-9 tail kit, built and sold
1989- RV-6 tail kit, built and sold
Last edited by todehnal : 08-07-2015 at 10:51 AM.
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08-07-2015, 11:05 AM
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Hey Galin, Here is another example that is from Foreflight:
What equipment codes should I select? For example, is a G1000 a /P or a /S?
You can select multiple options for Radio Communication, Navigation and Approach aids, on the Aircraft page. In the Radio Communication section, choose:
S if your aircraft has a VHF comm radio AND a VOR AND an ILS receiver installed (all operational.)
G if your aircraft has a GPS receiver that is installed and operational.
If your aircraft has a G1000, you could select both S and G. Same goes for a GTN750, KSN770, GNS430, etc?; each would allow you to select S and G. However a handheld or portable GPS does not allow you to select ?G.?
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1998- RV-9 tail kit, built and sold
1989- RV-6 tail kit, built and sold
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08-07-2015, 11:21 AM
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Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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I use /U and just add "VFR GPS" and "406 hand held PLB" in the comments section.
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08-07-2015, 12:06 PM
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When I file I use U and on first ATC contact tell the controller I can proceed direct with a VFR GPS. They usually accept that.
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08-07-2015, 01:49 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by todehnal
Hey Galin, Here is another example that is from Foreflight:
What equipment codes should I select? For example, is a G1000 a /P or a /S?
You can select multiple options for Radio Communication, Navigation and Approach aids, on the Aircraft page. In the Radio Communication section, choose:
S if your aircraft has a VHF comm radio AND a VOR AND an ILS receiver installed (all operational.)
G if your aircraft has a GPS receiver that is installed and operational.
If your aircraft has a G1000, you could select both S and G. Same goes for a GTN750, KSN770, GNS430, etc…; each would allow you to select S and G. However a handheld or portable GPS does not allow you to select “G.”
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That is correct. With the G1000, GTN750, KSN770, GNS430, etc… you can select /G, /S. Otherwise you would select /U, assuming you have a Mode C transponder.
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Originally Posted by az_gila
I use /U and just add "VFR GPS" and "406 hand held PLB" in the comments section.
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This is the best way of filing if you have a non approved GPS.
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Originally Posted by RFSchaller
When I file I use U and on first ATC contact tell the controller I can proceed direct with a VFR GPS. They usually accept that.
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And most of the times there is no problem at all with this.

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Last edited by GalinHdz : 08-07-2015 at 02:15 PM.
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08-07-2015, 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by todehnal
Hey Galin, you may well be correct, but I cannot find "IFR Certified" in the FAA documentation on the use of /G.
This is an excerpt of the equipment code suffix usage: Note that it says "capabilites", not IFR certified.
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/G Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or WAAS, with enroute and terminal capability.
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The above is from the (AFS-410, 7/31/05). If you can offer some documentation to support your statement, it would be greatly appreciated.
Tom
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Good question. So to be be sure, I asked some REAL expert that I know and this is a paraphrased answer:
"You can put whatever you want for VFR, but for IFR operations, a bunch of AC's (including AC 20-138) and the AIM requires IFR certification to be considered GPS-equipped. What is the point of filing VFR /G if you can't legally fly an RNAV route?"
Ref: AIM Tables 1-1-5 and 1-1-6 on page 1-1-24.
The AIM states:
"To be approved for use in the National Airspace System, RNAV equipment must meet the appropriate system reliability, accuracy and airworthiness standards."
Ref: AIM Part 5-1-8(d)(2)(note) on page 5-1-15.

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Last edited by GalinHdz : 08-07-2015 at 04:57 PM.
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08-07-2015, 04:46 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Woodinville, WA
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/G Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS), including GPS or WAAS, with enroute and terminal capability.
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Since non-certified equipment cannot be used for primary navigation (IFR or VFR), you do not have a GPS with "enroute or terminal capability". In VFR, technically your eyeballs are your primary nav.
Foreflight is being a bit Certified aircraft centric. Note they list that you should have a GPS installed to use /G. Well, in a certified plane you can't install a non-certified GPS, so this is really saying the same thing.
Thus, /U is appropriate.
As a note internationally, without a certified GPS you also don't have ADS-B, so your SSR code is just S.
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