Third class medical /Oshkosh

[DanH]

Originally Posted by n82rb

If ALPA feels that it is not in their best interest then they should oppose it. I hate to break it to some, but GA is a safety threat to them, I hate to count the number of RA's I have had with VFR GA traffic in the clouds.

Bob, I respect your right to express your opinion. GA is a safety threat eh? It's good to know where we really stand with the ALPA professionals.

You want an opinion? I think the third class medical requirement kills a lot more pilots than midairs ever could. A high percentage of GA pilots (and more than a few Part 121 pilots) hesitate to obtain the regular medical checks and procedures that would save lives.

[Brantel]

Originally Posted by n82rb

I hate to break it to some, but GA is a safety threat to them, I hate to count the number of RA's I have had with VFR GA traffic in the clouds.

bob burns
N82RB RV-4

And a third class medical every 2 years is going to do what to help prevent this?

[Brantel]

Originally Posted by DanH

Bob, I respect your right to express your opinion. GA is a safety threat eh? It's good to know where we really stand with the ALPA professionals.

You want an opinion? I think the third class medical requirement kills a lot more pilots than midairs ever could. A high percentage of GA pilots (and more than a few Part 121 pilots) hesitate to obtain the regular medical checks and procedures that would save lives.

Amen! Amen! Ducking the medical radar is what enabled the progression of the disease that almost killed me!

[n82rb]

dan you are right. but bringing the medical standards up to modern standards is what needs to be done. a lot of disqualifying conditions need to be eliminated and updated but just tossing it out is not the answer. there are to many people on the roads that should not be medically driving but they are. do you thing it will do GA any good when someone with 20/400 vision crashes into a house.

and as i stated GA is a safety threat. most RA's are from VFR GA aircraft being where they should not have been. I have had two near misses, both with GA aircraft. one while on the ILS13R at DFW a RV-6 went under me about 100 feet. yes he was in the class b without a clearance. the other was a 310 in the clouds VFR. he popped out of a clouds just as I got an RA on him.

bob burns

rv-4 N82RB

[Bill_H]

The third class medical accomplishes exactly zero.

There are many people that like bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. It doesn't matter to them if it is accomplishing anything, or how much it costs, or what happens when it goes wrong and there is no recourse. They like it just to give themselves a comfortable feeling that someone else is in charge and they don't have to think for themselves. And, that other people can't be trusted with thinking for themselves either.

Usually, however, such people are not pilots.

[grubbat]

I bet a bunch of FAA folks curse the day that allowed airplanes to be flown without a medical. Pilots were supposed to be falling out ofthe sky right and left. Now that the data suggests otherwise, the arguement must now turn to an emotional and feelings based approach. I expect to hear more tear drop stories before this is over. Not being callous, but if the deciding authourties would just make data-based decisions rather than feel good decisions, our world would be a lot better place. My .02.
Cj

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by n82rb

. . . and as i stated GA is a safety threat.

bob burns

rv-4 N82RB

Do we all understand now? Some professional pilots and their union believe GA is a safety threat. Some officials in the FAA think this as do their bosses at TSA and their bosses at Homeland Security. These groups will do everything they can to reduce the number of people flying around the country without the "proper" training and vetting.

Donald Trump will become emperor of the known universe before we see meaningful 3rd class medical reform.

[Low Pass]

Originally Posted by Bill_H

The third class medical accomplishes exactly zero.

There are many people that like bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. It doesn't matter to them if it is accomplishing anything, or how much it costs, or what happens when it goes wrong and there is no recourse. They like it just to give themselves a comfortable feeling that someone else is in charge and they don't have to think for themselves. And, that other people can't be trusted with thinking for themselves either.

Usually, however, such people are not pilots.

More flying pilots and flying airplanes means more work for the FAA. They get paid regardless. Why would FAA employees want to work harder with more pilots flying?

Also, more flying pilots and little planes inevitably will mean more incidents. FAA gets pressure from the executive branch, Congress, the press with the occurrence of incidents. Less planes and pilots means fewer incidents. Why would the FAA bring more pressures upon themselves?

The FAA will never willingly allow the numbers of pilots and little airplanes to increase in "their" airspace system by letting go of the 3rd class medical. The only way it will be accomplished is though congressional action. Better call your congressmen!!

[n981ms]

Bob I respect your right to your opinion and your desire to not debate the issue here. Twice, however, you recommend bringing the third class medical up to modern medical standards. Can you give us an example of something you feel is in need of modernization?

FWIW. I am a physician not an AME. I am in favor of elimination of the third class medical. Incapacitating events are terribly unpredictable.

[DaleB]

Originally Posted by Brantel

Amen! Amen! Ducking the medical radar is what enabled the progression of the disease that almost killed me!

Ditto. If I hadn't been worried about the medical cert I'd have called the **** doctor and avoided an MI.