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07-26-2015, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DanH
That really ticks me off....seriously, airline pilots are opposed to eliminating the third class medical?
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There's a difference between ALPA and pilots in the trenches.
Always has been so. For years ALPA opposed changing the age 60 rule while most members, at least those I knew favored it.
Membership, what's that? The internal political power base rules.
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07-26-2015, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fly3g
Apparently 52,000 pilots don't agree with the PBOR2 as ALPA put this letter out back in June. As is typical with these kinds of statements it presents a concern to get the reader excited ("allow medically unfit pilots unfettered access to the national airspace at altitudes up to 18,000 feet, which
also includes commercial airline traffic carrying passengers and cargo") with no data to support how this situation would not be any different from today with all of the "daily self certified" pilots currently occupying that same airspace.
I guess back to my coffee as well.........
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The problem is the claim. To say that all 52,000 airline pilots in that organization agree with the position stated is obviously false, just as the AME organization claiming that all AME's agree with it's position is false. The key is to get the legislators' attention and make it clear that the ALPA letter is a lie. There are a lot of airline pilots on this forum; what say you? If you disagree with your association, how about a petition actually signed by ALPA members who disagree with their association's position?
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07-26-2015, 11:35 AM
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Same as AMA
My primary care physician (not an AME but holds a Private Pilot Certificate) informed me that the American Medical Association represents only 17% of medical doctors. The AMA opposes the 3rd Class Medical Exemption.
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07-26-2015, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
There's a difference between ALPA and pilots in the trenches.
Always has been so. For years ALPA opposed changing the age 60 rule while most members, at least those I knew favored it.
Membership, what's that? The internal political power base rules.
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Yeah, its true. I'm retired, but I would have voted to eliminate the 3rd class in a heartbeat. Then there's ALPA "leadership". Its true, they were against raising the retirement age to 65. Ticked me off too.
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07-26-2015, 02:32 PM
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My Uncle
I've known a few airline pilots including my uncle. Only a few, I admit - and they were remarkable in that they had the four following opinions:
* they characterized our general av aircraft as 'puddle jumpers'.
* they had no respect for us or our sport.
* they hated their flying jobs - characterizing themselves as 'flying bus drivers'.
* they didn't want to learn about general aviation.
My uncle had no respect for any aircraft that had less that four engine kerosene burners. Hopefully that doesn't represent ALPA members now - maybe the ALPA membership will speak up.
Thankfully that doesn't represent the membership here on the VAF.
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07-26-2015, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by E. D. Eliot
I've known a few airline pilots including my uncle. Only a few, I admit - and they were remarkable in that they had the four following opinions:
* they characterized our general av aircraft as 'puddle jumpers'.
* they had no respect for us or our sport.
* they hated their flying jobs - characterizing themselves as 'flying bus drivers'.
* they didn't want to learn about general aviation.
My uncle had no respect for any aircraft that had less that four engine kerosene burners. Hopefully that doesn't represent ALPA members now - maybe the ALPA membership will speak up.
Thankfully that doesn't represent the membership here on the VAF.
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Your uncle was typical of guys who fell into aviation by accident. They generally were unenthusiastic, hated the job, and could not wait to retire - and no fun to fly with.
And then there were guys who said I can't believe they are paying me to do this.
Many, like myself would show up at OSH, there was an airline tent where guys would sign in and try to connect with other like minded aviators.
I remember one trip with a long lay over in St. Louis, we rented a car a made a shopping trip to Wicks. Carried a lot of important stuff around for the next three days until the trip was over....those were good days. I carried my LEZ build manual for good reading in a motel.
Not all airline pilots are or were like your uncle. Some of us had a lot of fun. 
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Last edited by David-aviator : 07-26-2015 at 03:20 PM.
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07-26-2015, 03:16 PM
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52,000 minus 1
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Originally Posted by DanH
That really ticks me off....seriously, airline pilots are opposed to eliminating the third class medical?
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Not true, Dan. I can only speak for myself, but I have no problems with the proposed changes to the 3rd class medical certification. I don't know why ALPA took the position it did on this issue, particularly now, and if an inquiry were made, I would be surprised to receive a completely honest and truthful answer from them. David is right, there is a wide gulf between ALPA national and the rank and file and at my carrier, that distance is increasing.
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07-26-2015, 03:30 PM
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Say again-
+1 David.
As a FLAP and a retired airline pilot; I love to fly and think the 3rd class should be fixed.
The FAA punted on Age 65 and is punting on this too.
Bureaucrat Rule #1: "Make no decisions and you'll never be wrong"
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07-26-2015, 05:14 PM
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I have a lot of disagreements with ALPA national, but I am in agreement with this one. I do not support elimination of the third class medical. total redo on it, yes, bring it up to modern medical standards, yes, but not throw it out.
I have no intention of arguing it here, I know I am outnumbered but I have seen the people that are still allowed to drive in florida ( i also support tougher standards to drive) and do not want people flying without at least proving they are not blind. the problem being that medical standards to the DMV very from state to state, and are not enforced in a lot of states.
If ALPA feels that it is not in their best interest then they should oppose it. I hate to break it to some, but GA is a safety threat to them, I hate to count the number of RA's I have had with VFR GA traffic in the clouds.
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07-26-2015, 05:18 PM
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Well, current and former airline pilots...it's crunch time. Are you going to call your legislator and call BS on the ALPA letter, or shrug and say "not my problem"?
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