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flion 06-22-2012 07:45 AM

How did I miss all this speculation? Ok, you guys have wondered long enough; let me pull back the curtain for you. The RV-14 is a high-altitude delivery vehicle. The reason it won't be announced until the RV-13 is ready is because the RV-13 is the orbiter it is designed to deliver. Imagine the White Knight and Space Ship One designed for Total Performance.

Tony_T 06-22-2012 09:03 PM

The RV-12 Electrical System AutoCAD drawing download from Van's site has some interesting layers, no content and turned off:

ADS-B NAVWORX ADS600-B WH-00019 WH-00014 RV-14
AUTOPILOT DYNON SV-32 WH-00024 RV-14
AUTOPILOT TRU TRAK AUTO TRIM WH-00065 RV-14
EFIS DYNON SV-D1000 WH-00021 RV-14
ELT ACK E-04 RV-14
FLAP POSITION SENSOR KIT RAY ALLEN EX MSTS POS-12 RV-14
FWALL FWD LYCOMING IO-390 WH-00043 RV-14
GPS DYNON SV-GPS-250 WH-00064 RV-14
IGNITION LYCOMING ELEC IGN LEFT AND RIGHT RV-14
IGNITION LYCOMING MAG LEFT MAG RIGHT RV-14
IGNITION LYCOMING MAG LEFT PMAG RIGHT RV-14
IGNITION PMAG LEFT PMAG RIGHT RV-14
LIGHT INTERIOR LC LED STRIP RED RV-14
LIGHT LANDING AEROLED RV-14
etc.

It appears the 14 will be a serious well equiped airplane with factory plug & play avionics.

Neal@F14 06-22-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony_T (Post 672104)
FWALL FWD LYCOMING IO-390 WH-00043 RV-14

Well, that certainly blows the tandem LSA speculation clean out of the water.

How 'bout an even wilder guess then.... with a powerful IO-390 engine, maybe a smaller 4-place 2+2 sport plane style that's cheaper to build than the RV-10 and can seat two in comfort like an RV-7 but with full baggage and full fuel for 2 but still be able to squeeze in two back-seater pax with light fuel and no baggage in a pinch.

airguy 06-22-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal@F14 (Post 672116)
Well, that certainly blows the tandem LSA speculation clean out of the water.

How 'bout an even wilder guess then.... with a powerful IO-390 engine, maybe a smaller 4-place 2+2 sport plane style that's cheaper to build than the RV-10 and can seat two in comfort like an RV-7 but with full baggage and full fuel for 2 but still be able to squeeze in two back-seater pax with light fuel and no baggage in a pinch.

That, or a very serious aerobat was my first thought - but that would need and AEIO engine, no reference to that (though this part number is only a FWF kit).

PMAGS now a factory option?

rockwoodrv9 06-22-2012 09:55 PM

Tony, how about a link to dwg?

NickAir 06-22-2012 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony_T (Post 672104)
The RV-12 Electrical System AutoCAD drawing download from Van's site has some interesting layers, no content and turned off:

ADS-B NAVWORX ADS600-B WH-00019 WH-00014 RV-14
AUTOPILOT DYNON SV-32 WH-00024 RV-14
AUTOPILOT TRU TRAK AUTO TRIM WH-00065 RV-14
EFIS DYNON SV-D1000 WH-00021 RV-14
ELT ACK E-04 RV-14
FLAP POSITION SENSOR KIT RAY ALLEN EX MSTS POS-12 RV-14
FWALL FWD LYCOMING IO-390 WH-00043 RV-14


It appears the 14 will be a serious well equiped airplane with factory plug & play avionics.

Possibly a small version of the jack of all trades. (Cessna 180)

johnny stick 06-22-2012 11:56 PM

Can't wait
 
I have been waiting to start a RV10 since the first kit was produced. If half these rumors are true, I might have to reconsider. Wouldn't it be great if this was a modern version of the Wittman tailwind?

rgmwa 06-23-2012 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9 (Post 672121)
Tony, how about a link to dwg?

Scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://vansaircraft.com/public/downloads.htm

Echo Tango 06-23-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickAir (Post 672138)
Possibly a small version of the jack of all trades. (Cessna 180)


LAMPSguy 06-23-2012 01:26 PM

Inept
 
I downloaded those files, opened them in the online viewer using the Vans posted PDF instructions, and can't seem to find the specified RV-14 info...are there tricks, or am I...see title :confused:

rockwoodrv9 06-23-2012 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgmwa (Post 672165)
Scroll to the bottom of the page.

http://vansaircraft.com/public/downloads.htm

I already tried those ACAD drawings and the layers had nothing with RV-14 included. All represented layers of the RV-12. I looked in the electrical drawings since that is what was referenced. The layers may have been removed since Tony saw them, but they are not shown on the 3 electrical dwg zip files. I have ACAD 12 I use everyday and it is compatable with all versions since release 12.

Tony_T 06-23-2012 03:53 PM

Layers deleted
 
Rockwood,

I just checked the current AutoCAD file on the website and yes, the layers have been cleaned up. No RV-14 layers are present.

Tony

rgmwa 06-23-2012 07:33 PM

If the IO-390 is correct, a `total performance' high wing bush plane could be a good bet, as other have also suggested. It's about the only obvious gap left in Van's range that wouldn't dilute market share of the existing kits. Ken Kreuger makes some interesting comments in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb_FB--gSAU

Phyrcooler 06-23-2012 09:55 PM

Interesting...
 
Were those comments by Ken K. a peek into the future that we didn't pay attention to? I've never give serious thought to Van's doing a high wing plane... much like I never thought Cessna would have a low wing single in their showrooms. Maybe a high-wing is possible...

Looking back many years on my posts, I opined that there ARE a couple holes in the Van's lineup. Personally I have argued that there needs to be a lower cost alternative to the RV-10 that is capable of carrying more than 2. I called it a Van's Tiger. I still feel that this O-360 (IO-390?!) powered craft would compliment their lineup and be a good seller.

However, as my life has evolved, I see myself more involved in local/sport flying, and have developed a strong desire for a Tandem LSA-compatible aircraft. I was truly hoping this was the RV-14. That is the other hole in their lineup. NOBODY has a good Tandem, low wing LSA.

So, I find this accidental leak from Van's a little disappointing if it is accurate. We'll see what comes to fruition.

I really would prefer to build an RV. Also watching the little CX5 Development as well as this: http://www.haim-aviation.com

dj

topgun260 06-24-2012 11:56 AM

Highwing RV-10
 
In the video he states that he has been messing around with a design like a "high wing RV-10" with a cantilever wing and "really rugged" tricycle, torsion bar landing gear and a built in cargo pod.

Neal@F14 07-01-2012 12:15 PM

I spoke with someone today who heard a supposedly good rumor source that the RV-14A is a bigger, widened "fat-boy" tri-gear version of the RV-7 with possibly the capability of seating 3 side-by-side or at least two side-by-side with lots of elbow room and large baggage capacity. Low wing, with a wing more like an RV-9 or possibly even a shortened RV-10 wing with big fuel tanks, and the IO-390 engine was also mentioned.

Anybody else hear anything along these lines?

Such a plane sure would be a great cross-country traveling cruiser.

scard 07-01-2012 07:09 PM

Well, I was at Van's this past week, and I DID hear something...

It sounded a whole lot like active riveting. On what, I have no idea, but there was definitely activity behind that big door that Joe wouldn't open :). He did, however, succeed on sending us on a wild goose chase for lunch along the Oregon coast. We did five airports that day, three of which were supposed to have food. Much fun. Joe, don't let Tanya make you feel too bad. On our third try/stop, she saw a whale and commanded an immediate left turn to circle in the downwind :).

humptybump 07-01-2012 07:37 PM

I'm a patient man so I can't / won't / don't get spooled up with curiosity as to what the next RV will be. My only hope is that it will be enticing enough to compell me to build. I'm not there yet ;)

dicel87 07-01-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal@F14 (Post 675170)
I spoke with someone today who heard a supposedly good rumor source that the RV-14A is a bigger, widened "fat-boy" tri-gear version of the RV-7 with possibly the capability of seating 3 side-by-side or at least two side-by-side with lots of elbow room and large baggage capacity. Low wing, with a wing more like an RV-9 or possibly even a shortened RV-10 wing with big fuel tanks, and the IO-390 engine was also mentioned.

Three people across? How would that work?

johnny stick 07-01-2012 09:11 PM

can't wait
 
I am waiting on the facts on the RV14 before I commit to a partially completed RV10. If it is a four seater (or even a 3) with a high wing for us old farts who can't climb up, I will be all over it like poop in a babies diaper.

Jaypratt 07-01-2012 09:48 PM

RV14?
 
RV14?

What can Vans do better? OR more???
Buy Cub Crafters? Sell Carbon Cubs?...... not!!!
Buy Zen Air?? Too uggley,, you uggley,, you are uggggely
Make a PP C180 kit? well it is not in production,,, but how many need a C180?
I like my RV8, 180 hp O-360,, hard to improve on that. 2200+ hours in RV's and I hope to get many more in the 'Borrowed Horse'

vansrv8 07-01-2012 10:11 PM

Look at the article concerning Vans in the latest sport aviation. Look at the shot of the CAD screen.....I see a double taper wing planform so I am guessing a motorglider.

bruceh 07-01-2012 11:10 PM

Three across seating could be done like Burt Rutan did on the Catbird.

One seat middle/front and 2 on the sides behind.

Neal@F14 07-02-2012 09:04 AM

Three across could also be as simple as a bench seat that two full size adults could fit in, with a child or very skinny person squeezed in the middle. Kinda like an early Datsun compact pickup truck's bench seat.

dicel87 07-02-2012 09:08 AM

They advertised that as three across seating? Not sure that my Chief Financial Officer would like that arrangement! :D

flyboy1963 07-03-2012 08:43 AM

catbird interior????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bruceh (Post 675343)
Three across seating could be done like Burt Rutan did on the Catbird.

One seat middle/front and 2 on the sides behind.

sorry to drift, but I've NEVER seen the inside of the catbird! Not to diminish the genius of Rutan, but if you're in row #2, ......ah, where do you stick your inside arm????......and aren't you gonna bang headsets, if not heads, with the folks in the 3rd row facing back?
I wonder if Burt ever travelled with 5 people in this? :)

I think Van's motorglider might just be in time for some of us builders lacking fuel and hangar funds!!!
( I wonder if it will have removable wings, or folding?)

dicel87 07-13-2012 02:01 PM

Any more intell and/or rumors coming in on the new design?

tritonsubs 07-13-2012 05:54 PM

4-6 place high performance long range cross country machine. An RV-10 killer. Rumor heard at Arlington Air Show

NYTOM 07-13-2012 06:19 PM

Breaking news, maybe.
 
I just left Van's about an hour ago after a very nice tour of their facility given to us by Ken. So here we are standing in their open hanger and discussing the pros and cons of their different models and I ask Ken what's next for Van's and if there's anything new behind that big roll up door at the back of the hanger that's open about a foot off the floor. He looks at me and says he doesn't know nut-in. Says they don't tell him anything. Well a few minutes later one of the employees ask's everyone to please go next door into the shop cause they have to open the door to get a fork truck thru. We all go into the shop area for a few minutes and while Ken fields requests for demo rides the same guys comes thru the door and waves OK. Might mean absolutely nothing but it sure peeked my interest.

Phyrcooler 07-13-2012 06:32 PM

Despite some of the ridiculous meandering of this thread, going back to the initial posting - based on FAA records we know there is an RV-14. ;) Hopefully we'll know more on the 25th:

From the Airventure website -

Quote:

7/25/2012 - 2:30 PM - 3:45 PM - Forum Pavilion 06 JP Instruments - Map What's New At Van's Aircraft? - Dick VanGrunsven, Ken Scott and Gus Funnell will give an update on what VAN's has done in the past year, and the latest models. Presented by: Richard VanGrunsven, Ken Scott, Gus Funnell, Van's Aircraft

rv7boy 07-13-2012 09:04 PM

Dog Taxi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tritonsubs (Post 679779)
4-6 place high performance long range cross country machine. An RV-10 killer. Rumor heard at Arlington Air Show

If that rumor is true, what a machine to haul rescued dogs to their new homes!:)

Subwaybob 07-13-2012 09:28 PM

New RV?
 
I know that Van has been working pretty steady on a glider or motor-glider. So that would be my guess...

fmiddleton 07-13-2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subwaybob (Post 679827)
I know that Van has been working pretty steady on a glider or motor-glider. So that would be my guess...

Isn't that the RV-11? (http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-11int.htm)

Subwaybob 07-13-2012 09:39 PM

No telling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fmiddleton (Post 679830)

Who knows? Heck someone could have registered this to make us all crazy! You would think that a larger plane would leak out somewhere. I am just going with the safe bet. Like maybe Dick HATES the number 11 and decided to rename it. Ha ha ha!

drycreek 07-14-2012 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subwaybob (Post 679827)
I know that Van has been working pretty steady on a glider or motor-glider. So that would be my guess...

There has been evidence to suggest that it will have an IO-390 so I don't think it will be a motor-glider. Unless they planted the information to throw us off. :rolleyes:

rocketbob 07-14-2012 09:44 AM

I heard today from an impeccable source that it will be at Oshkosh. So no point in speculating, in a week we shall see. :)

Jerry Cochran 07-14-2012 10:54 AM

Maybe...
 
According to FAA Registry, single engine, 2 seats. Someone said a Lyco 390, so maybe an improved -7a? Sounds serious if Van is giving the report himself....

We will soon know.

.

liteplane 07-14-2012 11:41 AM

RV 14 A
 
IMHO. RV 9 High cantiliver wing, tricycle gear, Lyc O-233, 2place, side by side, EAB kit that will qualify in the light sport category would knock it out of the park.
Jay Kurtz
X49
Lakeland

6S4 Hugo 07-19-2012 11:45 PM

RV-14
 
Stopped by KUAO today...

I was told that there is to be "an unveiling of a 'super secret' on Monday afternoon". :eek:

Also heard some news that may make me hold off on the -12 kit purchase for a year. :rolleyes:

Keeping the ear to the rails. Just hope the train sees me in time to stop.

NickAir 07-20-2012 01:28 AM

RV14
 
Sounds like we will know on Monday what is rumor and what is real.

I have heard everything from a three seat RV with an IO-390, to the electric self launching motor glider. Interesting what people have come up with as speculation. We will know Monday, if the RV14 is actually what is to be unveiled.


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