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Toobuilder 08-20-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gbrasch (Post 569773)
... I hear an aircraft at max power, look over and see an RV doing a high speed pass at about 100' (It's Saturday and the tower is closed)...

Hard to pass judgment based on the description given. :confused:

taverroi 08-20-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toobuilder (Post 569799)
Hard to pass judgment based on the description given. :confused:

In the words of Tom Cruise in Top Gun " I saw and oppertunity,...there was no danger..so I took it!

Sam Buchanan 08-20-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by taverroi (Post 569784)
I dont know anybody who bashes RVs...All Ive ever heard are people singing there praises...and who does'nt like to see a screaming low pass with a sweet G crank that melds together the downwind, base and final all in one.

No offense intended sir and with respect to you, with a safe enviroment, I'm with the hotshot.

With all due respect....I am afraid you are out of touch with reality. RV's and their pilots are under a strong magnifying glass and what many (GA, the FAA, and the NTSB) are seeing ain't pretty due to the action of a few of our brethren. I saw one at breakfast this morning......

We push the envelope at our own risk. I prefer to be a good citizen and hope to be able to fly another day(s).

taverroi 08-20-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan (Post 569804)
With all due respect....I am afraid you are out of touch with reality. RV's and their pilots are under a strong magnifying glass and what many (GA, the FAA, and the NTSB) are seeing ain't pretty due to the action of a few of our brethren. I saw one at breakfast this morning......

We push the envelope at our own risk. I prefer to be a good citizen and hope to be able to fly another day(s).

I dont know. I think I'm pretty in touch with this reality. All that I know and love about flying is tied up in my RV and flying it..Other peoples actions I cant control and am not responsible for...What I do know is that I am a "good citizen" and I still say.."in a safe enviroment, I'm with the hotshot".

L.Adamson 08-20-2011 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 569791)
I'm not going to give an opinion one way or the other on doing low passes, but (and I do you that you probably know this, but many don't), getting tower clearance to do something does not allow one to violate the FARs, it only provides a nice witness for the FAA inspector to question. There is a ton of of case law demonstrating this.

I would like an opinion FAR wise, on the flyby I mentioned......if someone has exact info. A Tower. No other aircraft in pattern. Runway is located on a penninsula with no housing underneath. Spectators were more than 500' away. I wouldn't consider it aerobatic in nature, either.

L.Adamson

mike newall 08-20-2011 06:11 PM

It is human nature to want to demonstrate the exceptional performance bestowed upon us by the designer...........

However,

It must be done in a responsible and appropriate manner.

We have many totally uncontrolled strips and fields in the UK and local rules, arrangements etc are usually abided with. If someone oversteps the mark, usually one or more of the strip users will have a quiet word.

I have done plenty of fast low passes in our RV7, however it has been done as a missed approach with the appropriate calls being made, an approach to say 50' followed by a short portion level and then climb away. It is controlled and IMHO responsible where appropriate.

I have been asked by a local controlled airport to 'show us your new aeroplane' and did similar.

Let me offer a real teaser.........

You are at your local field and hear the sound of a Merlin, the rise of an aeroplane noise and step out to see a Mustang whip down the strip at 50' and a couple hundred knots.

Where does he stand in the argument ?

If inappropriate behaviour is being exercised, tackle the person involved and change his ways.

If what is being done is an expression of the joy and passion shared by many of us, revel in it and enjoy.

Mel 08-20-2011 06:17 PM

Part 91.303 Aerobatic flight....
 
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Originally Posted by L.Adamson (Post 569809)
I would like an opinion FAR wise, on the flyby I mentioned......if someone has exact info. A Tower. No other aircraft in pattern. Runway is located on a peninsula with no housing underneath. Spectators were more than 500' away. I wouldn't consider it aerobatic in nature, either.
L.Adamson

91.303(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C, Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport.

"For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight."

This is the wording. Interpret it as you will. But remember, it's FAA's interpretation that matters.

taverroi 08-20-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mike newall (Post 569812)
If what is being done is an expression of the joy and passion shared by many of us, revel in it and enjoy.

Ahh...the sound of reason!

taverroi 08-20-2011 06:32 PM

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"For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight."

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Sounds like the definition of a real RV pilot to me.

gib 08-20-2011 06:36 PM

Maybe this is why I like RV's
 
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Originally Posted by L.Adamson (Post 569781)
I have now found out, that we have a "stigma"...........and just accept the fact, and live with it, or do not purchase an RV. Kind of like Harley's, I was told. Hadn't heard of this for the last 17 years, or any where I've been.....but found out yesterday (from the informed ones). :eek:

Okay............I'm still ticked...:mad:

L.Adamson --- RV6A

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Been riding Harley for a long time....


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