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N282S 07-16-2012 09:04 AM

searching
 
Your knee cap will find the rivet you dropped yesterday while crawling around looking for the nut you dropped today.

N282S 07-16-2012 09:05 AM

long reach
 
Any object rolling off the work bench will immediately roll to the far wall under the work bench.
Exception: Xacto knives will land on the blade prior to rolling to the far wall.

N282S 07-16-2012 09:07 AM

lost and found
 
A lost cell phone can be found just after mixing epoxy or pro-seal

Blain 05-23-2013 10:20 PM

Kinda hate to spoil the fun with a serious tip. But I needed to share it with someone anyway;
Use the right tool for the job.

I had an air hammer. Looks just like any 2x or 3x in various vendors sites. Attempted the tool box kit with my gun and the correct rivet sets. After watching the sets bounce across my shiny aluminum I decided something is wrong here. Bought the gun that A/S sells with the RV tool kit. I'm sure most everyone reading knows what I discovered.

Setting rivetes with that gun made me buy the -8 Emp kit.

Blain

rockwoodrv9 05-23-2013 10:31 PM

I won't even show anyone my toolbox kit. It is total ****. The hinge doesn't work, hammer marks all over it. I am just glad I got the toolbox first!

Hey - I grew up in Cameron Park and taught at Rolling Hills for 7 years. We moved to Colorado about 6 years ago. Mike S is up on the airpark and would be a good person to contact for help. Just a few minutes with someone that knows what is going on makes a huge difference.

Have fun with your build.

Blain 05-24-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockwoodrv9 (Post 773475)
I won't even show anyone my toolbox kit. It is total ****. The hinge doesn't work, hammer marks all over it. I am just glad I got the toolbox first!

Hey - I grew up in Cameron Park and taught at Rolling Hills for 7 years. We moved to Colorado about 6 years ago. Mike S is up on the airpark and would be a good person to contact for help. Just a few minutes with someone that knows what is going on makes a huge difference.

Have fun with your build.

Sounds like everyone has had the same learning curve. I have made contact with Mike.

Blain

BonitaRV8 06-12-2013 06:42 PM

When moving fast while installing rivets and using your thighs to hold the rivet gun while you insert the next rivet into the hole be, sure you dont squeez the trigger!

DaleB 07-05-2013 02:39 PM

When you plan the budget for your airplane, remember double it. In order to move on to the next major expenditure, you're going to have to do a remodel project or some similarly expensive thing to preserve domestic tranquility. I can't afford an engine for a while now, but we have a REALLY NICE new master bath.

REALLY nice.

You know, like "I could have bought a new Lycoming and a G3X panel for this much" nice.

N804RV 07-05-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klovning (Post 503523)
1.)
If you run into a build problem (e.g. a hole in the control horn on the right elevator and the bearing bushing don't quite line up perfect) take a day or 2 to think about it.

The answer will often come to you while doing something else. (in this case an appendectomy) ...

:eek::eek::eek:

Now I know why the chief of surgery carries around a rivet fan!

brianwallis 07-11-2013 11:23 AM

fuel lube or assembly fluid
 
Tight spots with hardware can be dealt with nicely by putting some fuel lube or assembly fluid on your finger. This sticky stuff keeps washers/nuts etc on your fingertips until they are on properly :)

humptybump 07-11-2013 11:54 AM

it's probably been said here somewhere but ...

when I was dissembling some control surfaces as a precursor to paint, there were a couple places with stacked washers. The builder had been smart enough to superglue them together for easy installation. I thanked him 5 weeks later when I was putting the airplane back together !

esco 07-24-2013 01:17 PM

Stick to it
 
"...[his] first attempt at flight ended in a ground loop, which required $100 to repair. After repairs ... he attempted flight 13 more times, each time ending in some sort of failure. Finally on his 13th attempt, he got a glimpse of hope as his aircraft bounced up into the air for a short time before crashing into the trees as he attempted to turn it. After his crash, he exclaimed in frustration, 'I'm going to fly this thing, then I'm going to set it afire and never have another thing to do with aeroplanes!' "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Vernon_Cessna

wings05rv6a 07-25-2013 08:47 AM

pneumatic squeezers
 
You will discover how big your belly roll really is, when you lay your pneumatic squeezers in your lap, and then bend over and reach for something that you need.
I went on an instant diet.
Bob

Blain 09-14-2013 08:24 PM

Gorilla Tape
 
Gorilla Tape. If you haven't tried it, buy a roll. You will throw your 1/2 used rolls of duct tape away. This is the stuff Vans using in packing kits (at least the Emp kit I purchased early this year).

I could tell an embarrassing story about how I used it to retrive my tungston bar from the leading edge bay while doing bottom wing skins but I'll save that for another thread:eek:

bpattonsoa 09-14-2013 09:42 PM

Deck of cards
 
I grabbed a deck of cards from my poker group and have used at least half so far.

.. Mix small batches of epoxy or bondo and toss

.. Checking clearances like the door gap on a -10

.. Glue/epoxy spreader, use your credit card for its intended purpose, buying parts!

longranger 09-15-2013 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blain (Post 807363)
...I could tell an embarrassing story about how I used it to retrive my tungston bar from the leading edge bay while doing bottom wing skins but I'll save that for another thread:eek:

The latest good advice I recently received from an experienced builder was to move the wing to a horizontal surface for riveting the bottom wing skins. In addition to MUCH improved access, I guess it also keeps you from dropping the bucking bar into the leading edge...:eek:

Daida 01-27-2014 01:50 PM

RTFM!!!! at least twice!!!
 
Read the freaking manual at least twice before you start doing the next step!!!!

Read Twice, execute work once!!!!

not the other way around!

how do i know?????

let us call it experience...........!!

Lycomingandgoing 02-26-2014 12:27 PM

If you think something isn't quite right, it never is.

Mike S 02-26-2014 04:11 PM

Welcome to VAF!
 
Taylor, welcome to VAF:D

wjb 02-26-2014 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blain (Post 807363)
Gorilla Tape. If you haven't tried it, buy a roll. You will throw your 1/2 used rolls of duct tape away. This is the stuff Vans using in packing kits (at least the Emp kit I purchased early this year).

I could tell an embarrassing story about how I used it to retrive my tungston bar from the leading edge bay while doing bottom wing skins but I'll save that for another thread:eek:

Don't mix Gorilla Grip tape and latex gloves ... once they come into contact, they are welded together forever! Amazing adhesion, GG tape is the only thing I have around the shop; fantastic product!

Boomer506 04-30-2014 03:39 PM

Engine/Prop Salvage
 
Any ideas on what production aircraft makes/models make good candidates for salvage. I'm looking for an engine/prop that I can use and maybe salvage the instruments/guages/ckt breakers and such. I would prefer a constant speed prop. A standard PA28 cherokee with a hollow crank would probably work. A PA-28 Arrow with a CS prop MIGHT work, but the prop hub is not compact. Has anyone been successful salvaging an old airplane into their RV project? Thanks for your ideas in advance.

Mevans 07-05-2014 06:45 PM

I would be interested in this as well, I am thinking of an old Tri Pacer or Pa 28, to putz around in until ready to move the Lyc 360, instruments, radio, etc.. We cannot be the first to think of this.?

Yazaman 09-18-2014 07:54 PM

Thoughts
 
These are funny but... you will re-enact some of them and think of this tread and an internal laugh will erupt in your head.

Yazaman 04-18-2015 08:24 PM

Pants
 
ok... the top button on my pants broke... no big deal... now the second one down broke... (there is not zipper just buttons) Im too far from the house to change so, use the tools in hand... WARNING! Dont use steel rivets like I did!


goatflieg 06-22-2015 03:59 PM

When match-drilling #40 skin holes, try not to hit any #30 clecos hiding behind said skin holes

BAK613 08-20-2015 10:23 AM

New Builder
 
This is my first post. I thought I'd take the opportunity to endorse the EAA Sport Aviation Workshop. In a single weekend I was able to personally experience all the tips below: :o

Regards,
Bruce Kaplan
Burke, VA
RV-14, Pre-build Stage

#14 Hint for builder: Make sure that cleco side clamps are totally closed before grabbing them from the cleco pliers. Unless of course you need good examples of blood blisters.
#67 When back riveting, don't get so wrapped up in all the process of loading rivets, taping them in place, getting out the back rivet set, setting up the gun, etc that you forget to place the SECOND piece to be riveted onto the taped-in-place-rivets before setting the rivets. I've done this more than once.
#70 When you do forget to place the second piece - your rivets will be the best ever.
{Posters Note: I was so proud of my first rivets I called over the instructor: ?That?s fine work Bruce?where?s the stiffener? Now you?re going to learn how to drill out some rivets.?}
#69 An RV is not made of metal as is popularly thought, it is actually made of blood, sweat, and curses.
# 140 Don't mix Gorilla Grip tape and latex gloves ... once they come into contact, they are welded together forever! {The latex gloves were necessary b/c of the blood mentioned in #69.}

kenhooper1 02-09-2016 10:08 PM

if it seems easy then your definitely doing it wrong

David Paule 03-25-2016 09:36 AM

If you've hung something from the garage door opener track to paint it, don't open the garage door to air the place out.

Even if the paint has dried to the touch.

Sigh.....

Dave

airguy 03-25-2016 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Paule (Post 1065115)
If you've hung something from the garage door opener track to paint it, don't open the garage door to air the place out.

Even if the paint has dried to the touch.

Sigh.....

Dave

Or trust your wife not to hit the button in her car...

Best just to uplug the darn thing.

Neal Trombley 08-23-2016 06:35 PM

These were amazing.. informative in so many ways!! :D:D:D:D:D

dcurrier 12-30-2016 05:38 PM

Deburring the inside of flanges with the speed deburring tool
 
So, I was struggling to figure out how to use the speed deburring tool from Aircraft Spruce on the inside flanges of ribs and spar channels. It is difficult to keep a perpendicular angle in tight spaces. Without the perpendicular angle you risk getting an oblong hole instead of a circular one. Came up with the idea of installing the bit into the end of the 90 degree angle attachment (which comes in the Aircraft Spruce RV Tool Kit as well) and hand turning the shafts that would otherwise be inserted into the air drill. This works out really well. Dunno if someone else already posted this idea or not, but it seemed too "Eureka!" not to share.


wirejock 12-30-2016 06:00 PM

Deburring
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dcurrier (Post 1137906)
So, I was struggling to figure out how to use the speed deburring tool from Aircraft Spruce on the inside flanges of ribs and spar channels. It is difficult to keep a perpendicular angle in tight spaces. Without the perpendicular angle you risk getting an oblong hole instead of a circular one. Came up with the idea of installing the bit into the end of the 90 degree angle attachment (which comes in the Aircraft Spruce RV Tool Kit as well) and hand turning the shafts that would otherwise be inserted into the air drill. This works out really well. Dunno if someone else already posted this idea or not, but it seemed too "Eureka!" not to share.

Similar, but my tip ran in Kitplanes.
Run a 1/4-28 die over the shaft of the 90 degree adapter. Screw the adapter into the speed debur handle. Now you have a 90 degree debur speed tool.

wirejock 03-16-2017 06:08 PM

Builder's Checklist
 
We all know how important checklists are before, during and after flights but consider using one for building as well. Start it early. I use one and it's really handy.
All those little (or big) things you have to postpone for whatever reason should be added to the list. Keep it handy in the shop and scratch items off as they get done. You'll sleep better.
Mine is a spreadsheet. I print the latest and write notes on it like date of completion or new items. When I update my builder log, it gets updated too and a new one printed.
Anything works from a chalkboard to a big poster board or spreadsheet. The point is don't assume you can remember all those little things. There's so many of them.

PilotjohnS 07-24-2017 10:44 PM

Wing skin countersinking
 
When countersinking the gazillion wing spar rivet holes, dont wear socks with no shoes. And if you do, don't wash the socks with your wife's bra.

hardegg 02-02-2019 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaRomeo (Post 34678)
...idea emailed to me by Terry Ruprecht. Great idea for a thread :)


RV Beginner Builder Hint #1:
When a small shiny tool rolls out of place on the work table, do NOT reach over lightning-like and move it back by the shiny end. It may be a soldering iron.

RV Beginner Builder Hint #2:
Unusual smells in the shop may include burning skin.

Adendum to #1: don't worry about blowing on the glowing end to cool it off - if your not paying close attention - you might smack yourself in the lip.
it leaves a nasty burn.

rjcthree 02-02-2019 07:29 PM

#154....
 
May the funniest thing I?ve ever read on this site.

vernh59 04-26-2019 10:54 AM

If your glove is between the part and the bucking bar, your finger probably is too!:eek:

DanH 04-26-2019 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotjohnS (Post 1190466)
When countersinking the gazillion wing spar rivet holes, dont wear socks with no shoes. And if you do, don't wash the socks with your wife's bra.

Same for the jeans and tee shirt you were wearing while grinding fiberglass...

Jason2020 04-07-2020 10:55 PM

Why is it so hard.
 
Deep thought #1
26 inches on a tape measure looks a lot like 29 inches when looking at the tape upside down. Way different results though!

PaulvS 04-08-2020 07:22 AM

Sides of the rule
 
-> One side of the rule is divided into 1/8ths. -> The other side is divided into 1/10ths.

Note which side you're on.


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