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What a fun idea
Thanks for posting this, sounds like a fun time.
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Thanks Andrew
I reposted your write up and pictures here http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB...117888/156#156I hope you don't mind. I mentioned you and Alfio. A good example to repel strong critisism in certain parts of the world. They say nosedragging RVs need only good concrete runways.
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Fun day it was.... I was finishing some maintenance and putting the cowl back on early this morning in -20C weather. You really hafta wanna go....
Shirley and I took off from Carp airport around 11:30, and we would meet Andrew's 'shark' in the air. We flew a loose formation to the river. It's only just maybe 10 miles away, if that! Here are some more photos of Mo's (Maurice Prud'homme) Ottawa River annual Fly-in event: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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And here are some more photos. Cold, but the sun really did make up for it.
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Andrew and Alfio,
Great fun! For those of us live areas that have no iced river to land, how do you taxi and especially stop on ice? When we had ice emergency two months ago, it took me 7 hrs to make a usually 2 hr trip. I am scared of driving on ice. |
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It was cold here yesterday (-21 deg C overnight, -17 deg C at noon), so the pressure from tires, feet, etc was not nearly enough to cause any of that ice to melt. Ice that stays frozen is not nearly as slippery as ice with water on top. You need to use some caution, because there isn't as much friction as on dry pavement. |
No too slippery!
I did not find it very slippery at all. I was quite surprised by this but I taxied very slowly. I did get stuck on a little ridge of snow at one point but Bill advised me to wiggle the rudder and that got me free. The guys on skis have more trouble as they have no brakes at all and have to keep starting and stopping their engines so as to not build up too much speed.
Great pics Alfio. My camera acted up and only half of what I took was recognized by my computer. |
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While Andrew refers to the ice as smooth, generally it was but I found it was actually quite bumpy, and rough in places. Aerodynamic braking works just as well on ice as on a runway. Try it next time at your airport. No brakes required, especially with bit of a headwind. With warmer temperatures, I can imagine that it would be quite difficult maintain control at slow taxi speeds (and stopping!). Our little RV-9A was landed and taxiing in a very short time. Like Andy says, we ended up taxi-ing down the runway until the taxiway turnoff for quite a bit. I was following a signalling marshal's taxiing instructions, and he/she (who knows, with everyone bundled up on that day) indicated a turn to the taxiway but a little too late. Had to pull a tight turn and back up the runway a little. Plowed runway was a straight 3000 ft, with a perpendicular taxiway at half-point. Skis were just about useless in those conditions. One ski equipped plane, as Andrew says, had to shut down his engine, because he ended up going too fast (skates!). It still slid for another probably 60 ft. or so on the taxiway (parallel to the runway) before it came to a stop. The tail wind did not help .... maybe 5 to 8 kts. For those who cannot get enough, someone posted last year's photos on Flickr: http://flickr.com/photos/djipibi/set...7603998396531/ Only way I know to land on water legally, without a float plane rating. Weather permitting..... we will be there again next year. |
landing on snow, ice, or anything slippery is fun. But you need to be careful. You land straight. I'll say it again, you land straight, and use NO Brakes. Best you get your tailwheel endorsement, that way you can learn how to use a rudder. My kitfox is a lot of fun to land on a frozen lake. I do it without having anything cleared. It helps to be landing at 40mph or less in a three point. But I will do my initial with a wheel landing. On approach and a touch down, I can feel the wind and know where or what direction it is coming from. If it's on my current path, fine, if not and it's lets say, behind me, I shoot back up and do a 180 and come back and land. My last landing was on a lake that had a bunch of snow that was all tracked up and than frozen. I landed and bump, bump, bump. Real rough. Better have a good landing gear, and an RV, no matter if the wheel is in the front or back is not going to make it.
Now with all this said. It's best to be real prepared for ice or snow landings. First off, with snow, you will get the white blind effect. Meaning, everything is white and it WILL blind you. Best to have a seaplane rating as well. It's no different than landing on a calm lake. Where is the water? On snow it's just as bad or worse. Where is the ground? You need to learn how to atripulate where things are, look to the right, left, in front of you to find land. When there is water, you can throw something into the water on a low pass to see the ripples or the object, with snow, you may not be able to do this. I did nothing but wheel touches for about 2 years before I got up the nerve to finally do a full stop on a frozen lake, with no cut out for a runway. So be careful when doing it. It is a totally different word. |
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