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ghatch 10-15-2008 01:08 PM

Paint before or after 1st fight
 
I am trying to decide wheather to paint my plane as part of final assembly or after the 40hrs have been flown off. I would like it painted before flight but don't want to make a hurried decision. Looking for advice.

Thanks,
Gerry

rleffler 10-15-2008 01:37 PM

I've been asking myself the same question.

My research has yielded no right answer, just opinions on both side of the fence.

If you do it before, it's easier to paint in parts. It may also be a little less expensive depending on who does the painting. The downside is that there is a risk of damaging the paint through storage and assembly, then more potential through flight testing due to taking things apart, etc.

If you paint afterwards, you don't have those risks, the paint job may look better. The downside is the cost is more because you have to use a shop located at an airport which usually is more expensive.

So the real questions to ask are:

How tight is your budget?

Which risks do you want to manage?

You can choose either method and have a fantastic paint job. Also notice that I used a bunch of weasel words in my description. There are exceptions in both cases.

vic syracuse 10-15-2008 02:03 PM

You are right in that there are many different opinions. If you are planning to paint it yourself, I'd recommend painting it before flying it, because you will discover that once you start flying, these RV's are so much fun that you won't want to take the down time to paint it! I know first hand. For the first time on my recently-completed RV-7A I didn't completely finish painting the trim so that I could make OSH this year, and guess what? Every week end there's another excuse to fly somewhere instead of painting!
If you aren't going to do it yourself, then you might find yourself waiting in line for one of the paint shops, so if that's the case, you may find yourself flying it first. The advantages are that you find some of the wear spots, and then you also get a really good comparison of the impact of paint to the weight and speed.

Vic

Jim P 10-15-2008 02:34 PM

In my case, I had already made a decision to have someone else do the paint. I've checked that box on a previous homebuilt and didn't want to get back into the painting. I had some canopy fit issues that required some exterior fixing such as a targa strip and some fairing along the front of the tipper. I also had a little hangar rash that needed some work, and then there was the gear fairings and wheel pants. I'm glad I waited to paint. They are a lot of fun to fly, so I didn't even get to fitting the pants until I had 45 hours, but I'm also scheduled into a paint shop for next February.

RV7Guy 10-15-2008 02:46 PM

Tough decision
 
I struggled with this but later decided to fly then paint. I'M GLAD I DID. I ended up cutting some off the tunnel of the lower cowl. Additionally, I flew the first few hours without the wheel pants and fairings.

In my opinion there are many things you could end up doing that could damage paint if painted first. Better to get all the bugs worked out before laying out the money for the paint.

Set a time and/or date that you will take it out of service for paint and be disciplined to stick with it. If painting yourself or a nearby shop, call over a couple of RV buddies and start the teardown process. I had my plane disassembled in approximately 5 hours. This included, wing removal, ail and flap removal, vertical fin removal, rudder removal, horizontal stabilizer and elevators etc......

The prep and cleaning was done with each component off the plane.

When the painting was completed, it took me 2 days to put it back together.

Bottomline, You can't go wrong waiting. Painting before flight provides lots of possibilities of bad outcome. YMMV

L.Adamson 10-15-2008 05:02 PM

I'd paint it before. Especially if it's still in pieces. My airplane, as well as a friend of mine, were both painted before the first flight. Neither has enough problems to effect the paint job at all.

When you paint the elevators, it's going to change the balance. I had to add lead, where I had previously drilled it out. I often wonder, how many re-balance these elevators , when flying before painting.

Besides, unpainted planes are rather ugly, whether the owner admits it or not... :D

L.Adamson ---- painted RV6A

Frank Smidler 10-15-2008 06:29 PM

Will you paint or will you hire it out?
 
I am just finishing the painting and assembly of my RV-6 and expect the first flight within the next 4 weeks. I painted before assembly because I decided to do it myself to save money. I new it would be a "20 foot paint job" (looks good from 20 ft) but would not be up to par with the professionals. My recommendation is if you can afford to hire it done, fly first then have the professional paint it. If you are like me and the budget doesn't include a professional paint job, do it first at your home shop then assembly and fly.

zspivey 10-15-2008 06:30 PM

Paint before or after
 
As has been previously said, it depends. We flew then painted. AOG paint in Mena, Arkansas did a great job. Mark Burns is painting before the first flight. He has done it in bits and pieces. His paint job is turning our very nice.
I would suggest, if you paint it yourself, paint it before the first flight while dis-assembled. If you choose to have someone else paint it, fly first, them paint

L.Adamson 10-15-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zspivey (Post 263780)
If you choose to have someone else paint it, fly first, them paint

I agree with that, because many airports won't let you paint in a hangar anyway. You just have to fly it to the painter. :) In my case, I made a paint booth out of the 3rd bay of my garage, while the plane was still disassembled.

L.Adamson

fstringham7a 10-15-2008 09:42 PM

RE:Paint or not????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ghatch (Post 263705)
I am trying to decide wheather to paint my plane as part of final assembly or after the 40hrs have been flown off. I would like it painted before flight but don't want to make a hurried decision. Looking for advice.

Thanks,
Gerry

Gerry

Great questions. As a data point consider Jim Piavis and I were on track to do that first flight at the same time. He decided to wait on paint and is flying.....and I .....on the other hand, I have decide to paint and I am not even close to that first flight.

With that said my reason for painting was $$$$$$$ or the lack there of, so I decided I could save a bunch of $$$$$$$$$$ if I did the job. I also wanted to say I built the whole plane. I also wanted the challenge of using the Stewart System of Paint. I also thought that painting thew plane a part would be more easy together, I also thought how hard could it be...........the answer to that is ....well that is along story for a cold winter night.......

If you choose to go fly before painting I would strongly suggest that you at least prep the interior of the cowl so engine fluids don't get into the FG of the cowl. I would also prep the exterior of the cowl. Fill the pin holes ( choose your misery (filler)....they are all...time consuming, messy to work with, and just plain hard work. Use a good UV primer sealer on the exterior of the cowl which like the interior will protect it from all the harsh elements. The cowl will then be in better shape after you fly for a while to finally be in a good postion to be painted.

Gerry, what ever you decided, enjoy the build ride, the real ride, and that RV Grin........

Frank @ 1L8 ...RV7A... painting......


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