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MCA 09-20-2008 09:55 PM

Tracy is correct. You have to enter a 4-digit code before the starter is enabled. So you have a lot of flexibility regarding what type of starter switch you want to use, if at all. You can always start the engine from the display screen in Start Mode.

Here's a picture of the starter button in my -7.




And a link to a site with more info: http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/...read.php?t=501


Quote:

Originally Posted by thallock (Post 257163)
I'm surprised that Vertical Power has not jumped in here. Their system does not need a key to secure the starter switch. Instead, you have to enter a 3 or 4 digit code to enable the starter button.

Tracy.


rv4bill 09-21-2008 07:36 AM

push button on stick
 
I have the Infinity grips and put the start button on the pinky button of the grip. Makes for easy starts now. Left hand on the throttle, right hand can now hold stick all the way back while starting. I use to have to hold the stick back between my legs while the right hand went to the dash to hit the start button.

bill whidden
RV-4

tinkertoy 09-21-2008 02:20 PM

Starter Push button safety
 
I have a push button start on my 8A. I put a covered switch in the forward lockable bagage compartment and ran wiring in series to the start switch. With the switch off, no power gets to the starter switch.

7pilot 09-21-2008 09:48 PM

Proximity Switch
 
While looking at the new Harley's and later a car with a proximity switch, I decided I had to have one. I also want the same push to start switch as you installed (they come in multiple colors too!). Anyway I decided that the two should work together pretty nicely. I haven't ordered yet, but basically my push to start will be enabled if I have the transducer (Fob) in my pocket and turn on the master and mags. No key needed - except for the canopy.

pushbutton and proximity switches are available here

southtarnation 08-26-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCA (Post 257802)
Tracy is correct. You have to enter a 4-digit code before the starter is enabled.

Is this feature on the vp-x (sport)?

David-aviator 08-27-2012 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7pilot (Post 258006)
While looking at the new Harley's and later a car with a proximity switch, I decided I had to have one. I also want the same push to start switch as you installed (they come in multiple colors too!). Anyway I decided that the two should work together pretty nicely. I haven't ordered yet, but basically my push to start will be enabled if I have the transducer (Fob) in my pocket and turn on the master and mags. No key needed - except for the canopy.

pushbutton and proximity switches are available here

At a rating of 50mA, 24V d.c., I wonder if these switches are adequate for closing the starter relay?

Mark Dickens 08-27-2012 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southtarnation (Post 693379)
Is this feature on the vp-x (sport)?

I am installing a VP-X Pro and haven't seen anything on this feature in the manual. I wonder if it's something that's only available on their VP-300 and VP-400 units.

BobRV7 08-27-2012 08:29 AM

Just a note about starter buttons on the stick or panel. They have been inadvertenly pushed while the engine was running and shearing off the tips of the ring gear.

Mark Dickens 08-27-2012 08:48 AM

One of the great things about the VP-X is that it has an automatic cut out on the starter circuit once RPM is above 600. Still, I plan to install a starter arm switch so that the starter isn't accidentally energized on the ground, since I plan to have the starter button on the Infinity grip

LettersFromFlyoverCountry 08-27-2012 10:00 AM

I just used the recessed-in-the-bezel B&C starter button. I have it way over to the left. I don't see any realistic reason why it would get pushed accidentally while underway.

southtarnation 08-27-2012 02:19 PM

With the Vpx automatic disable function I was satisfied putting it on the stick so that I can start the plane with out using my knees and crushing my B@#$s... In-flight inadvertent button pushing of the starter is not an issue but what about on the ground? One poster said they would put in a starter arm switch in addition to the vpx. It would be great if the VPx had a simple lock splash screen (like a smart phone) that would deter theft and accidental engagement of anything buttons on the ground.

n82rb 08-27-2012 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David-aviator (Post 693567)
At a rating of 50mA, 24V d.c., I wonder if these switches are adequate for closing the starter relay?

50ma is plenty to close a 10A ice cube relay to close the starter relay.

as for push buttons being unsafe then I guess every twin out there is unsafe as I have never flown a twin with anything but a non-keyed switch.

bob burns
RV-4 N82RB

marchudson 08-27-2012 08:00 PM

I agree with you 100% Bob. I used something called an anti-vandal switch. Very attractive and functional. I wired a toggle switch in series with the anti-vandal switch and labeled it "Start Enable"

You basically have to turn the start enable switch on then push the button in order to get the starter to engage. As soon as it's running, I turn the "Start Enable" switch off.

Hope this helps.

David-aviator 08-28-2012 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n82rb (Post 693820)
50ma is plenty to close a 10A ice cube relay to close the starter relay.

as for push buttons being unsafe then I guess every twin out there is unsafe as I have never flown a twin with anything but a non-keyed switch.

bob burns
RV-4 N82RB

Thanks, I figured as much. One relay to activate another - no thanks.

All this stuff sure is cute but lining up one gizmo after another in series is asking for trouble unless it is of very high quality.

A simple old fashioned toggle switch like the WWII fighters had will work.

n82rb 08-28-2012 07:50 AM

relays are one thing I would not worry about using. I have used thousands in equipment and have had one failure. I would bet that the first failure would be a switch.

I do agree that the gizmos tend to get out of control. Remote start, remote canopy locks are cool stuff but the weight adds up. I prefer the KISS method and come in light. My RV-4 came in at 995lbs with a 360 and C/S prop.

The method I like is a pullable breaker on the master, hidden by the floor boards.

bob burns
RV-4 N82RB


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