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Auburntsts 03-29-2020 07:38 AM

Right-hand Mag Removal Advice
 
I've got to remove the right mag on my IO-540 to replace a leaking gasket. Any advice or gotcha's I need to be aware of during the removal and subsequent re-installation? I've got the Slick L-1363C Overhaul and Maintenance manual plus Tim Olson's version of the SkyRanch mag instructions, but never having removed a mag before just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

Rick_A 03-29-2020 09:43 AM

Watch for falling FOD
 
I'm always concerned about dropping a piece of hardware into the open mag hole during removal and re-install.

I remove the top fastner and hold down block completely before removing the bottom fastner when removing a mag and do the bottom first when re-installing.

I cover the open mag hole with a clean rag while the mag is out. If you happen to have a mag hole cover (like the ones get if you have a Lightspeed ignition) that's even better.

scsmith 03-29-2020 12:02 PM

Before you remove it, set the prop at 25 degrees BTDC on #1 (or whatever your timing says). Be sure it is #1 firing stroke, not #1 exhaust stroke by putting a finger over the spark-plug hole and feeling for compression.

mark on the rim of the mag with a sharpie or a piece of masking tape or something where the hold-down clamp parts touch on the rim of the mag. Sometimes you can see the compression marks in the paint and you don't need to mark it.

Then, while the mag is out, DO NOT turn the prop. When you reinstall it, with the special pin that locks the mag in the firing position, you can pop it in matching the marks to the hold-down studs, put the hold-down blocks and nuts on finger tight, and hook everything up, knowing that you will be really close to the correct timing.

BE ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU PULL THAT PIN OUT BEFORE YOU MOVE THE PROP.

Set the final timing with the buzz box. Normal safety procedures apply, i.e. disconnect all the ignition leads or pull the plugs.

Auburntsts 03-30-2020 11:08 AM

Thanks fellas! With regards to inserting the T118 timing pin, is that something I should try to do as I'm puling the mag off (if that's even possible) or wait until it's been pulled completely off the engine?

lr172 03-30-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Auburntsts (Post 1418251)
Thanks fellas! With regards to inserting the T118 timing pin, is that something I should try to do as I'm puling the mag off (if that's even possible) or wait until it's been pulled completely off the engine?

no. It creates risks if you are not carefull and doesn't help. Pin goes into some thin and weak plastic inside. Only necessary for installing. Also, note there are holes for both R and L rotation. Be sure to use the correct hole. I just use a drill bit. I think it is 1/16", but don't recall. Easy to measure.

scsmith 03-30-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lr172 (Post 1418272)
no. It creates risks if you are not carefull and doesn't help. Pin goes into some thin and weak plastic inside. Only necessary for installing. Also, note there are holes for both R and L rotation. Be sure to use the correct hole. I just use a drill bit. I think it is 1/16", but don't recall. Easy to measure.

The benefit of using the proper pin is that it has several stepped diameters and absolutely only fits in one place all the way in. Using a 1/16" drill rod can work, but I think there may be other positions of the parts that will allow it to go part-way in, and you don't have much of an indicator that it is all the way in. So I prefer to use the real Slick-Champion part.

The mag data plate will indicate left or right handed rotation (not the same as left or right mag position on engine). That tells you which hole to insert the pin into.

Also, it was pointed out by Dave Howe that 6-cylinder mags apparently have a different drive coupling than the 4-cyl drive gear that I am familiar with, and apparently it can be tricky to keep the coupling assembled while inserting without having a part fall into the sump. I wasn't aware of that. All my suggestions for setup to make it easy to get the timing right on re-install still apply, but would be good to hear advice on how to keep the coupling together right.

avrojockey 03-30-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick_A (Post 1418046)
I'm always concerned about dropping a piece of hardware into the open mag hole during removal and re-install.

I remove the top fastner and hold down block completely before removing the bottom fastner when removing a mag and do the bottom first when re-installing.

I cover the open mag hole with a clean rag while the mag is out. If you happen to have a mag hole cover (like the ones get if you have a Lightspeed ignition) that's even better.

Smart! Dropped a nut last month reinstalling Slick...OMG! I feared the worst when I couldn't find it for about 15 minutes. Then I found it resting risklessly in the joint of the motor and nose gear mount. That was a very happy moment!!!

Walt 03-30-2020 03:03 PM

The 6 cyl has the rubber drive cushions, be careful not to let them fall into the engine, pull the mag straight out very slowly/gently, the rubber cushions will probably stay in the mag drive inside the engine but you never know. I like to install new rubberss if the engine has very many hours on it. Glue the new cushions on the mag before installing.

lr172 03-30-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scsmith (Post 1418280)
The benefit of using the proper pin is that it has several stepped diameters and absolutely only fits in one place all the way in. Using a 1/16" drill rod can work, but I think there may be other positions of the parts that will allow it to go part-way in, and you don't have much of an indicator that it is all the way in. So I prefer to use the real Slick-Champion part.

Fair points and I should be more cautious with advice. I have disassembled them many times and know what is inside and how far the bit goes in as well as a feel for when it goes through the hole in the rotor. I should not assume everyone would be in the same position.

Larry

Kyle Boatright 03-30-2020 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt (Post 1418322)
The 6 cyl has the rubber drive cushions, be careful not to let them fall into the engine, pull the mag straight out very slowly/gently, the rubber cushions will probably stay in the mag drive inside the engine but you never know. I like to install new rubberss if the engine has very many hours on it. Glue the new cushions on the mag before installing.

Walt, what glue do you recommend? A tiny drop of superglue or??


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