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JDA_BTR 03-20-2020 07:08 AM

Skip the G3X?
 
I'm thinking of skipping the G3X in the new plane. I think that the GNS375 along with a pair of radios and a G5 or two would be pretty good in an RV8.

The thing that I can't find is a good looking clean engine monitor. I don't have a lot of them to look at online and no airshows for a while; wonder what ya'll think about them?

I'll probably end up with a 7" landscape G3X to be an engine monitor and EFIS based on what I'm seeing out there right now.

BCP Boys 03-20-2020 08:06 AM

Hard to beat G3X or Dynon
 
The problem that you are going to run into is all the other Engine monitoring companies cost too much because generally they are for the certified market. Sure, there are a few companies that use iPads or a 80's style display that may be cheaper for the experimental market but when you compare a Garmin G3X or G3X Touch, or Dynon's Skyview or HDX to other color rich displays like JPI or Electronic International, the cost is about the same and you don't get Flight Display and Map with the JPI and EI. By the time you buy a couple of G5's and add a JPI or EI Engine monitor you're in the same ballpark as a full featured EFIS.

Jpm757 03-20-2020 08:41 AM

Tend to agree with Amir, a lot of bang for the buck with a 10" G3, AFS or Skyview display. Engine monitoring and MUCH more for a reasonable price.
Just did an upgrade on an -8, pretty much everything you will need.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZRHh63rM/20200304-164027-1.jpg

Mark Dickens 03-20-2020 09:26 AM

While I'd probably go whole hog on the G3X suite, I think this is an interesting idea. The JPI EDM-350 looks very capable to me and affordable for what you get. I assume the GNS375 can talk directly to the G5s? Or is an ARINC box required? The nice thing about these smaller units is that they will fit into the -8's smaller panel better. I can tell you that the Dynon/Trig radio is a good unit and it would be easy to get two of them in the panel as well. Where this thing falls down is the autopilot

romaja 03-20-2020 09:41 AM

You might consider this:

https://www.guardianavionics.com/sma...100-_c_81.html

byoung 03-20-2020 10:11 AM

GI275
 
Garmin just came out with a new family of certified round digital displays. One version is for engine data display (EIS). But, being certified it costs the big bucks $5295. G3X is probably the better solution for your case.

N941WR 03-20-2020 05:12 PM

For just an EMS, I would go with a Dynon D10 EMS. It's a lot of bang for the buck?

John Tierney 03-20-2020 06:20 PM

Looks like MGL has a small unit:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...es/mglxems.php

PaulvS 03-20-2020 06:31 PM

GRT
 
The GRT EIS is tried and tested and will not take up much panel space alongside a G5 or two. It doesn't have a coloured graphical display, unless connected to a GRT EFIS. But then it doesn't really need a flashy display, because the EMS is monitoring the engine, and it will flag any reading that is outside of range.

jliltd 03-20-2020 11:45 PM

If you stick to your original plan consider the EI CGR 30P engine monitor. Beautiful color graphics. Small, round and powerful. I installed one 200 hours ago in my Husky. I love it. I had always been an JPI guy but EI has finally come around and in my opinion may even have eclipsed JPI. Now, in my RV-8 I have G3X touch with GEA 24 and don't see anything different or more on the G3X EIS vs the EI. In fact, the EI CGR has graphical planform of the engine showing cylinders and a tall tank-shaped fuel level display that is very intuitive at a glance. And the lean-find algorithm makes more sense to me than the Garmin. The dedicated CGR also shows more information all the time than the basic G3X gauges before you tap them for more details which takes down your MFD. With the G3X I find myself jumping back and forth between the MFD and the engine detail screen. As far as stand-alone EIS units the newer Garmin 275 round displays are the most costly of the bunch ($$$). The CGR ain't cheap but it's less ($$). I have also become a fan of the newer patented cylindrical hex set screw wire connectors developed by EI for sensor wire reliability under the cowl. No more spade terminal woes in the high heat and vibration environment of the engine. Those are also sold seperately for non-EI installations or legacy EI products. Nice.

Simiar to G3X architecture the CGR 30P display you see in the panel is just that, a display and control panel. There is a remote box where all the sensors connect and the computer is located (an LRU like the GEA 24). For the record I believe MGL and most other glass panel makes take this engine LRU approach also. I mounted mine on the Husky's firewall. This cleans up the installation as the panel disolay is very shallow with only a few wires going to it since the remote LRU handles all the engine sensor wiring. Compare this to traditional engine analyzers where there are bundles of wires going to a long heavy instrument in the panel.

So I say don't let engine monitoring functionality be a reason to sway you toward G3X if it is more than you want.


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