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EV's RV6 03-05-2020 09:47 PM

wing plugs to allow you to jack a wing up
 
Awhile back I had seen an ad for letting you remove your wing tie down bolts and installing a tool in that hole that would let you jack the wing up to change a tire anyone know about a tool like that?
Thanks
EV

RV8JD 03-05-2020 10:08 PM

Jack Points
 
Are these what you are looking for?

Bogert Aviation (These also include an adapter that fits on the jack):

https://bogertaviation.com/products/...3a4ac23a&_ss=r

Anti-Splat Aero:

https://antisplataero.com/products/quality-jack-points (also available through ACS: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...ts05-12379.php )

Northernliving 03-06-2020 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EV's RV6 (Post 1412566)
Awhile back I had seen an ad for letting you remove your wing tie down bolts and installing a tool in that hole that would let you jack the wing up to change a tire anyone know about a tool like that?
Thanks
EV

I’ve used Bogert Aviation‘s that Carl linked to with a harbor freight bottle jack (with a platform stand) and they work great.

Greg Arehart 03-06-2020 06:55 AM

I use an 18" HF bottle jack. Drilled a 1/2" hole in the top, parallel to the stroke of the jack. Insert a ~5" piece of 3/8" threaded rod into the tiedown hole, with the other end in the hole in the bottle jack. Very stable and secure. Of course you have to properly brace the jack (there are a couple threads on here about building the jack stand).

jrtens 03-06-2020 07:54 AM

Be very careful using jack pads - especially with one wing and no tail stand. They have a nasty proclivity to slip off the jack and then you have a big hole in your wing. You might consider placing a piece of 2X6 wood with foam or carpet between the tie down bolt hole and jack instead.

JonJay 03-06-2020 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jrtens (Post 1412627)
Be very careful using jack pads - especially with one wing and no tail stand. They have a nasty proclivity to slip off the jack and then you have a big hole in your wing. You might consider placing a piece of 2X6 wood with foam or carpet between the tie down bolt hole and jack instead.

I would suggest you go to Vans site and read how the factory recommends jacking your RV. Your statement contradicts this and many of us who have followed Vans recommended practices for years. The few problems that I am aware of where pure negligence.
You couldn't knock my RV off the jacks if you tried.

By the way, for the OP, yes, you can buy an expensive insert, or you can do like most of us; grind down the head of a grade5 or grade8 bolt and use a proper jack adaptor with a dished out receiver. By the way, Vans used to supply a plastic insert, yes plastic. I used it for years before making my own bolts.

BillL 03-06-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JonJay (Post 1412633)
I would suggest you go to Vans site and read how the factory recommends jacking your RV. Your statement contradicts this and many of us who have followed Vans recommended practices for years. The few problems that I am aware of where pure negligence.
You couldn't knock my RV off the jacks if you tried.

By the way, for the OP, yes, you can buy an expensive insert, or you can do like most of us; grind down the head of a grade5 or grade8 bolt and use a proper jack adaptor with a dished out receiver. By the way, Vans used to supply a plastic insert, yes plastic. I used it for years before making my own bolts.

+1

Ed_Wischmeyer 03-06-2020 09:45 AM

I used to use plain old carriage bolts. But I also had a plywood board around the carriage bolt with felt between the board and the wing, just in case.

Steve Melton 03-06-2020 10:27 AM

Cleveland tool makes a tie down that I use as a jack point. I never take them out.

https://www.cleavelandtool.com/colle...18378247110718

Ralph Inkster 03-06-2020 10:27 AM

I thought of carriage bolts initially but the ones in our local hardware store looked pretty crude & maybe brittle. I opted for grade 5 bolts rounded off, when they got lost my next batch were grade 8 (batch because I tend to loose them)

JonJay 03-06-2020 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph Inkster (Post 1412675)
I thought of carriage bolts initially but the ones in our local hardware store looked pretty crude & maybe brittle.

This is what caused the one accident I am aware of. You absolutely don?t want to use a cheap or unknown grade bolt. The accident also involved how the guy used the jacks. He did not raise the tail and put a side load on his cheap bolts, which snapped. There is a conversation about this accident somewhere in the archives.

I always insure my bolts are perpendicular to the jack, or as close as I can get them. Probably overkill for a grade5 or 8 bolt, but I don?t want to put them in shear regardless.

Ralph Inkster 03-06-2020 06:20 PM

Another consideration is do not use a bolt that is too long!

fl-mike 03-06-2020 06:26 PM

Or just bolt a 1-1/8? or so 3/8 drive socket into the tie down and run the jack ram into that. No jack mod required. Been working for me and the local gang for over a decade. I put a UHMW tape covered fender washer between the socket and skin to protect the paint.

Northernliving 03-06-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Melton (Post 1412674)
Cleveland tool makes a tie down that I use as a jack point. I never take them out.

https://www.cleavelandtool.com/colle...18378247110718

Wow Steve, Those look really nice! Thanks for the link.

Doug Rohrer 03-16-2020 06:17 PM

Angle the Jack
 
For best results and safety, you need to angle the jack outward at the base. The angle at the jackpoint gets surprisingly large and scary looking as you raise the wing high enough to get the tire off the ground.

JDeanda 03-16-2020 08:47 PM

An Allen Head Bolt
 
I use a 1? stainless allen head bolt with a large area washer under the head. I snug it to the bottom of the wing and lift away with my short wing jack. (got lucky on a pair of jacks intended for low wing Pipers). Stainless just because it looks cool, plain steel would be just as good. I don?t use that hole for the tiedown any more after installing spring loaded retractable tiedowns in the wingtips.

Alchemist 03-16-2020 09:31 PM

Our solution.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pKFMmQQFderDY2z47

bruceh 03-17-2020 12:12 AM

I just bought some large steel pipe caps, drilled them in the center, and inserted a grade 8 bolt and put a washer and nut to hold it in place to capture the hydraulic ram from the jack.



Easy project at minimal cost and they have performed just fine for jacking up the airplane.

alpinelakespilot2000 03-17-2020 07:59 AM

Ditto for me.
Quote:

Originally Posted by bruceh (Post 1415190)
I just bought some large steel pipe caps, drilled them in the center, and inserted a grade 8 bolt and put a washer and nut to hold it in place to capture the hydraulic ram from the jack.



Easy project at minimal cost and they have performed just fine for jacking up the airplane.


JonJay 03-17-2020 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Rohrer (Post 1415119)
For best results and safety, you need to angle the jack outward at the base. The angle at the jackpoint gets surprisingly large and scary looking as you raise the wing high enough to get the tire off the ground.

Raise the tail.
It is really important to raise the tail and reduce that angle. The one accident I am aware of used hardware store bolts and did not raise the tail putting the cheap bolts in shear. He might have been fine if he raised the tail but still use quality bolts or an engineered product.


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