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Yen 02-02-2020 10:52 PM

Why not try pulling the mixture well back when you get to cruise. Pull it back until the engine is running rough and then push richer until is smooths out. That is what we did years ago before EGT gauges were common. Check your plugs later if you have no roughness problems.

Joe 02-03-2020 07:13 AM

Could it be a leaking primer system?
 
Recently I experienced a badly leaking primer system that caused my newly-overhauled carburetor to seem to run overly-rich. Fuel was continuously being leaked into the cylinders (bypassing the carburetor).

Perhaps this is your root cause but why it would take a half hour to manifest itself is beyond me. Mine was continuous and I could troubleshoot it on the ground.

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Joe

71459 02-03-2020 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lr172 (Post 1405100)
I would never expect a carb to be anywhere near optimal / best power mixture if left at full rich, especially at something higher than sea level.

Yes true, but I was trained (40+ years ago) that no leaning is necessary below 3000'.

Maybe things vary depending by how a carb was last overhauled. I'll clean up the plugs and try flying it using aggressive leaning, though that has never been needed in the last 1100+ hours.:confused:

71459 02-03-2020 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe (Post 1405134)
Recently I experienced a badly leaking primer system that caused my newly-overhauled carburetor to seem to run overly-rich.

I don't have a primer on the airplane.

Snowflake 02-03-2020 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71459 (Post 1405136)
Yes true, but I was trained (40+ years ago) that no leaning is necessary below 3000'.

Another old wives' tale that regularly shows up as false when put to the test.

If I ran full rich at 2000' i'd be burning 30% more gas than I need to and not going much (if any) faster.

sblack 02-03-2020 10:09 AM

On my other aurplane I installed a fuel flow gauge and sensor. I discovered that I could reduce the fuel burn by 25% with no loss in power at low altitude by leaning. That system cost me $500 but paid for itself in no time and probably reduced the amount of crud in my engine. So leaning can always be done for cruise regardless of altitude.

71459 02-03-2020 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 1405144)
If I ran full rich at 2000' i'd be burning 30% more gas than I need to and not going much (if any) faster.

Yes but in my case it's so rich the plugs foul up in less than 1 hour and the engine is running so rough it's not safe to fly. This is something completely new, thus my concern. At only 2000' the engine should run perfectly fine at full rich without fouling.

71459 02-03-2020 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yen (Post 1405104)
Why not try pulling the mixture well back when you get to cruise.

Yes can do this, but this has never been necessary in the past, especially at a low altitude, thus my concern.

71459 02-03-2020 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinnFlyer (Post 1405066)
Could the air filter be collapsing when it gets hot?

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't know about collapsing, but the filter is very old (but kept cleaned and oiled). Maybe it's worn in such a way as to restrict air flow enough to cause a too-rich mixture. I'll put a brand new one on and see what happens.

PerfTech 02-03-2020 05:26 PM

Possible Cause?
 
?. You said you recently changed fuel pumps! Check your fuel pressure is not
over 5 or 6 psi, This is definitely a possibility, as those carbs are very sensitive
to fuel pressure. Thanks, Allan..:D


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