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Toobuilder 12-18-2019 01:54 PM

Yep. I know of several people who have been through the same thing. It's ugly.

My only hope is that once the fleet is fully equipped, enough people (or maybe one, with enough pull) are going to get unfairly violated that there will be a public outcry to lock this data down.

I just hope it doesn't take a murder to make people realize how crazy it is to have our info out there.

breister 12-19-2019 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan (Post 1393699)
Once the FAA has generated a performance report after your initial installation they know your aircraft is a 2020 ADS-B installation.......suspect your logic would be sketchy if push came to shove. Then there is that pesky logbook entry....... :)

Privacy is a touchy subject, but privacy is pretty much a thing of the past in our current technological culture.....way to many breadcrumbs being dropped to stay totally anonymous.

I may have to research a bit. I know avionics may be "removed for service" and placarded even though the logs show them "installed." Maybe a red streamer installed in its place clearly saying, "Inop - removed for service" or some such...

breister 12-19-2019 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan (Post 1393702)
I thought it through before I posted. :)

Moderator hat pulled on; Let's not get too political, VAF rules will become a factor.

Fair enough. Some people didn't want to leave England, either, and from their viewpoint those who wanted independence were radicals - thus it ever was! There is room in our society for honest disagreement. :D

Sam Buchanan 12-19-2019 01:48 PM

Good grief.....I express an interest in watching aircraft and get branded as "borderline criminal" and "creepy".....and now its implied I'm a Tory....... :(

Tough crowd.....

fl-mike 12-19-2019 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylor (Post 1393718)
I don't have to imagine it...been there, lived it. That's why you won't find my N-Number on Flight Aware, MyRadar, etc. See post #8 in this thread.

Skylor

FAA link for those interested:
https://ladd.faa.gov/

Toobuilder 12-19-2019 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan (Post 1393940)
Good grief.....I express an interest in watching aircraft and get branded as "borderline criminal" and "creepy".....and now its implied I'm a Tory....... :(

Tough crowd.....

Some people value their privacy more than you do Sam. And there is a near certainty that some of your airpark neighbors that you track for your own entertainment feel just as strongly about it as we do.

Just think about that next time you apply your own version of reasonableness to other people.

This thread may seem tough, but it's better than a punch in the nose at your next airport meeting.

N941WR 12-19-2019 03:40 PM

Data is Power
 
If the FAA can provide the raw data (number of flights, to and from, times, type of aircraft, etc.) with or without the N-numbers, then those who don't like aircraft for any reason (noise, pollution, whatever) will have the ammunition to force us out of the sky.

Sometimes I wish AOPA and the EAA would be a bit more militant, similar to the NRA in that no compromise is acceptable.

Sam Buchanan 12-19-2019 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toobuilder (Post 1393956)
Some people value their privacy more than you do Sam. And there is a near certainty that some of your airpark neighbors that you track for your own entertainment feel just as strongly about it as we do.

Just think about that next time you apply your own version of reasonableness to other people.

This thread may seem tough, but it's better than a punch in the nose at your next airport meeting.

Way over the top, Michael. You don't know anything about my airport neighbors and are making totally invalid assumptions.

The RVers I hang with are early adopters of APRS technology over ten years ago (here is the VAF APRS sub-forum). We've been tracking each other's aircraft ever since.....with no bloody noses and never a tense moment or cross word.

Maybe we are just a bit more laid back than the aviation community you are accustomed with. You are militant about privacy, but aviation enthusiasts who are tapping into data that is legal and provided by the FAA and other providers are not villains or doing anything criminal.

That's the way it is......deal with it.

In case you wish to join the tracking community, here are details on how to build or buy a receiver and join the piAware system:

https://flightaware.com/adsb/piaware/build

There are nearly 25,000 tracking sites worldwide. :)

Here is the coverage map as of a few minutes ago:


Toobuilder 12-19-2019 09:43 PM

Sam, you can feign insult, but by your own admission you're the guy who tracks the comings and goings of your neighbors for your own entertainment. And since this is an ADSB centric thread, that means it's outside the APRS network and you are doing it (to some) without their permission. Sorry, but that's "creepy" defined.

Your group of tracker buddies might have colored your worldview, but I'm informing you that some people do not appreciate being tracked. Judging by the response these threads generate, there's plenty of us who feel this way. This is your wake up call. You have the option of respecting this viewpoint of your peers, friends and neighbors and perhaps use this information as "social epiphany", or you can continue to go on the offensive and diminish those views because they conflict with your own.

It's your choice to give up your privacy, but does that override the rights/opinion of those who cherish it?

moosepileit 12-20-2019 06:14 AM

So, if enough peeping toms unite with enough exhibitionists...

We just see a new normal? Ewwww.


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