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catcrew 07-07-2019 04:14 PM

My briefing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman1988 (Post 1357466)
Never had the "opportunity" to fly the rj...though I get a kick out of some of the jumpseat briefings..."Don't worry, it going to look bad but we will be ok...":D

That was my standard jumseatbrief when I flew the 200. The 7 and 9 are totally different animals. I have flown all 3 in the same day. Talk about messing with your head.

I do plan to order this and install. I am a few years from flying. I just need it to call me a retard so I know when to pull the power... like at work, :D:D:D

Gaylon 07-27-2019 03:28 PM

RV10 install -LIDAR
 
I wanted to provide a quick thumbs up to Nidal and the Kit he has put together for the Ground Proximity callout. After installing the latest version of the kit and then the subsequent swap out to a prior version of the Garmin LIDAR, I was pleasantly surprised at how the latest version with WiFi worked. This new feature is a pleasant addition and makes setup and diagnostics very simple.
I had installed my wire using twisted pair shielded cable for both the PWM and IC2 circuit. The IC2 did not like this and therefore it took me a while with the help of Nidal to figure out. A quick change to straight wire cable and the unit worked as advertised straight out of the box with only requiring the sensor height to be set.
I have flown with this a couple times and where I think it will be extremely beneficial is landing on grass strips while crossing power lines or trees. The call out helps ensure clearance of obstacles but it?s not an absolute guarantee. It can get a little busy in your ears while near touch down at say 1 foot off the ground with the stall warning or AOA talking to you and the height call outs but your brain quickly gets it sorted out.
Great product and is fun to have in the airplane.
Keep up the great support and product development Nidal.

EngineBridge 07-28-2019 12:12 PM

Thank you Gaylon for your feedback, comments and post review. It is highly appreciated and was great working with you to isolate the issue.

Regards
Nidal

bhoppe2 09-12-2019 09:04 AM

Where to mount LIDAR
 
I am curious where people are mounting the LIDAR sensor in an RV10

Nick Leonard 09-12-2019 06:19 PM

RV-10 Installation and Review
 
I recently installed the Landing Height Controller in my RV-10. I decided to evaluate it in my airplane for possible inclusion in the SwitchBlade Flying Sports Car (WWW.SamsonSky.com or https://www.facebook.com/SamsonSkySwitchblade/). More about that later.

I installed mine in the lower wing root cover just behind the main wheel. I mounted it flush with the skin which made for a very easy installation. I'm sorry that I don't have pictures but there really isn't much to show that hasn't already been shown in previous installation pictures. I mounted the controller right next to the LIDAR unit which makes for simplified wiring.

After I installed the unit, I didn't actually fly my plane for a couple of weeks. I was on a 2-hour flight and quite frankly, I had forgotten about having it installed until I was on short final and heard the 70' call out, then 50', 20'... When I got to about the 6' callout, I raised the nose to a positive angle and pulled the last bit of power as it was calling out 2', 1' and it said "0" right as the mains chirped. I mean exactly at the same time. I had the same experience on my return trip. Very impressive.

I have never had trouble making decent landings in the RV-10 but I suspect that this unit will make every landing that much better and especially when going from smaller to larger runways. Highly recommended. You will make better, more consistent landings.

As far as including it in the SwitchBlade, I have already made a strong recommendation to make it standard equipment in every kit.

One thing of note is Nidal's exceptional support. We see a fair amount of good support in the experimental product space and Nidal's has been among the very best, including providing a free upgrade to the latest hardware and firmware.

If you have any questions about the installation or its use, don't hesitate to contact me.

This product is well worth the price.

EngineBridge 09-12-2019 09:14 PM

Thank you Nick for your kind comments and great feedback. It's highly appreciated.

I think the LHC will be great addition to the SwitchBlade and we are looking forward to that project.

Regards
Nidal


Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Leonard (Post 1373277)
I recently installed the Landing Height Controller in my RV-10. I decided to evaluate it in my airplane for possible inclusion in the SwitchBlade Flying Sports Car (WWW.SamsonSky.com or https://www.facebook.com/SamsonSkySwitchblade/). More about that later.

I installed mine in the lower wing root cover just behind the main wheel. I mounted it flush with the skin which made for a very easy installation. I'm sorry that I don't have pictures but there really isn't much to show that hasn't already been shown in previous installation pictures. I mounted the controller right next to the LIDAR unit which makes for simplified wiring.

After I installed the unit, I didn't actually fly my plane for a couple of weeks. I was on a 2-hour flight and quite frankly, I had forgotten about having it installed until I was on short final and heard the 70' call out, then 50', 20'... When I got to about the 6' callout, I raised the nose to a positive angle and pulled the last bit of power as it was calling out 2', 1' and it said "0" right as the mains chirped. I mean exactly at the same time. I had the same experience on my return trip. Very impressive.

I have never had trouble making decent landings in the RV-10 but I suspect that this unit will make every landing that much better and especially when going from smaller to larger runways. Highly recommended. You will make better, more consistent landings.

As far as including it in the SwitchBlade, I have already made a strong recommendation to make it standard equipment in every kit.

One thing of note is Nidal's exceptional support. We see a fair amount of good support in the experimental product space and Nidal's has been among the very best, including providing a free upgrade to the latest hardware and firmware.

If you have any questions about the installation or its use, don't hesitate to contact me.

This product is well worth the price.


bhoppe2 09-25-2019 05:35 PM

I installed the Engine Bridge Landing Height Controller a few days ago in my RV10. I installed the LIDAR sensor in the left lower wing root cover as suggested by Nick Leonard. I installed the sensor about half way back from the front spar. I installed the controller under the left seat. I reused the alert audio line that was previously used for the Vans stall warning, which I disconnect long ago in favor of the AOA. Therefore, there was only one audio output wire used...High only, no Low wire, and it works great.

For my test flight, I flew to breakfast this morning with a friend who has a turbocharged Glassair III. We were both impressed how the altitude callout worked flawlessly. The Landing Height Controller said, ?Zero? just as the wheels touched down. This unit is great! It was easy to install; the only tedious part was opening up the plane to run wires and then putting everything back together.

My friend with the Glassair jokingly suggested that I can now practice Zero-Zero landings! I cannot say I actually need the Landing Height Controller, but it is very cool add-on and I am happy I added it to my RV10. Great Product!

EngineBridge 09-26-2019 07:48 AM

Thank you for your prompt feedback and we are happy you are satisfied with the unit.

It will be appreciated if you guys can add installation photos when you have a chance or next time working on the plane.

Using the Audio +ve (High) single wire works when the Audio Panel is not asking for a Hi/Lo pair. The Audio -ve (Low) is not ground so leaving it unconnected and using the Audio +ve for single wire Audio input to the panel works perfectly as mentioned.

Thanks
Nidal


Quote:

Originally Posted by bhoppe2 (Post 1376021)
I installed the Engine Bridge Landing Height Controller a few days ago in my RV10. I installed the LIDAR sensor in the left lower wing root cover as suggested by Nick Leonard. I installed the sensor about half way back from the front spar. I installed the controller under the left seat. I reused the alert audio line that was previously used for the Vans stall warning, which I disconnect long ago in favor of the AOA. Therefore, there was only one audio output wire used...High only, no Low wire, and it works great.

For my test flight, I flew to breakfast this morning with a friend who has a turbocharged Glassair III. We were both impressed how the altitude callout worked flawlessly. The Landing Height Controller said, ?Zero? just as the wheels touched down. This unit is great! It was easy to install; the only tedious part was opening up the plane to run wires and then putting everything back together.

My friend with the Glassair jokingly suggested that I can now practice Zero-Zero landings! I cannot say I actually need the Landing Height Controller, but it is very cool add-on and I am happy I added it to my RV10. Great Product!


RV8iator 09-26-2019 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman1988 (Post 1357428)
I think you might get a nasty surprise pulling the power off at 20-30 feet in quite a few jets...

If you did that in a 727, you would open the cockpit door to find the rubber jungle...

In the 767, the landing can be hard enough to slow the earth?s rotation...:eek:

Well, we will just have to respectfully disagree on this one..
Many thousands of hours in both and it just ain?t so.

As to the need for call outs in an RV, well, to each his own.

rocketman1988 09-26-2019 11:29 AM

Really?
 
Then we'll have to disagree...

I have witnessed the rubber jungle in the 727. In fact, the OE instructor almost had a coronary when the FO swiped the power off at 20-30 feet...

I also have many thousands of hours in the 767 and with the GE engines, you are going to get a hard landing pulling the power at 20-30 feet...and possibly a tail strike.

Enjoy retirement...I'm still working in the mines...


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