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It is a proven fact that in some airports, and for some pilots, it is not. This is an established fact beyond debate. Unless you know an airport knows about RV's - and unless you know that the pilots you are dealing with in that airspace and at that moment - knows about RV's, you are taking a chance. So there you MAY have satisfied the requirements. Or you may not have. There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO chance that you have not satisfied the requirement when you use the word "experimental". You have definitely conveyed the "experimental nature" without question. From there we got into opinion and acceptable risk factors. That's pretty much when I tuned out. I know what risk I'm willing to accept - as little as practical. And the "pain" of using the word "experimental" is so infinitesimal that to avoid it strikes me as silly and there's no good reason to not use it. I have seen no rational argument against using the word "experimental". It costs almost nothing to use the word. I have to wonder if some people defend against its use because they don't want to admit they may have been taking unnecessary risks. But I really I don't know I see no harm in saying "Experimental RV November 12345.....", as adding the "RV" is helpful, MIGHT provide useful info and doesn't take up much extra time on the frequency. I also know that I specifically asked my home airport's Tower Team (2 teams because one whole set retired to be replaced by new folks), and they BOTH said they Want. To. Hear. the word "experimental". So that's the second reason I use it. So that's my choice. Everyone does what they think is best. If people want to continue to debate the issue have at it. I'm pretty much done with it: I've listened to both sides, identified the silly arguments, and have made my choices. |
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Maybe I missed this idea in this long thread, but does any one announce themselves with:
"Vans RV-XX tail number" or "Van's XX tail number" Then isn't "Van's" equivalent to saying "experimental", except for the 12 (which may be professionally built). Van's is the make, while RV-xx is the model. Like Cessna Skyhawk (172). With that said, why doesn't Van's come up with cool names for each model. A wait I know, for the same reason that a Porsche only has to be identified as a 911 or a 944. |
"Vans" is only the manufacturer of a very small number of the 10,000+ Airplanes identified as RV's
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Some say RVx is not sufficient to indicate your experimental nature, which is an opinion. If you ask an FAA inspector you will likely get different opinions. If you just say RVx would you ever get a violation or cause a safety issue? In my opinion no. However there's no controversy if you just say experimental. If you say "Experimental RVx N#...." you are covered. This has the added benefit of letting those who do know what an RV is know what type you are. This saves time from ATC having to come back and ask you what type of aircraft you are. By the way when I say ATC I mean Tower. This requirement to indicate your experimental nature only applies to initial communication with airport control Towers. Enroute you don't have to say it at all. |
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Again say experimental. That is perfect. If Tower comes back say what type, what will you say? Vans' RVx. If they say what's that? Small, light, single piston engine low wing 2 place airplane I guess. If tower say oh a Grumman Yankee.. land at another Airport. :) Here is Order 7360.1D. http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...tors_FINAL.pdf What is an Order? ANSWER:*FAA Orders*are published by the*FAA for*FAA*personnel. These documents outline procedures for performing their job functions. The acronym JO is used in the*FAA*Air Traffic Control*order numbering system and stands for Job*Order. |
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Clarification sometimes isn't enough
In my early lifetime I was initiating a VFR landing clearance into Dallas Love Field by stating "Love tower, Swift 3959K over Bonham (visual reporting point) for landing". Tower controller asked for aircraft type. I replied "Globe GC1-B".
Tower controller after a few minutes: "Cleared to land RWY 13L". About 2 miles from touchdown the controller advised me my nose gear did not appear to be down... |
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Ok, so after reading all these posts on pages one through fourteen, I'm still confused about first contact with tower.
If I say "Experimental RV8 123" does ATC now believe my N number is 123 or 8123? I have used "Experimental 123" and been asked "say type" to which I replied "RV". ATC comes back with "what kind of RV?" So now its "Experimental RV8 November 123" |
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FWIW; to avoid unnecessary confusion, after initial contact I use whatever the tower calls me. :cool: |
Sheesh, you'd think no one has any holes to deburr or rivets to drive...:rolleyes:
George |
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