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Captain_John 04-28-2019 09:08 AM

AND...

Almost always when you hear another experimental on the frequency... it's an RV.

When I first decided to build, I didn't want an RV because everyone else had one. When I decided on the RV I bought it because everyone else had one. Know what I mean?

Sometimes they blend my call sign like this: Experimental RV7JS!

:D CJ

KatanaPilot 04-28-2019 10:37 AM

Refer to the AIM?
 
I realized yesterday after referring to the AIM, I've been doing this wrong.

Here is the excerpt:

3.Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type, model or manufacturer?s name, followed by the digits/letters of the registration number. When the aircraft manufacturer?s name or model is stated, the prefix ?N? is dropped; e.g., Aztec Two Four Six Four Alpha. EXAMPLE−1.Bonanza Six Five Five Golf. 2.Breezy Six One Three Romeo Experimental (omit ?Experimental? after initial contact).

Dugaru 04-28-2019 12:09 PM

I've also been an "Army" RVator
 
I try to make it clear, but people sometimes hear "Army."

I was once asked what I was flying by.... a "fellow" Army pilot!

A passenger once thought I called my Cherokee a "turkey," for what that's worth.... :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowJacket RV9 (Post 1342673)
Yep, flew all the way from FL to NC once and seemed to be getting extra helpful routing the whole time. Turns out they thought I was Army the whole time also.

Chris


Saville 04-28-2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RV7ator (Post 1342656)
Indeed. Drop the "experimental" nonsense. Useless. Type is useful. Don't bother quoting the FARs about that first contact with ATC. They don't care either.

John Siebold

Actually I asked the tower guys at my home airport if they would prefer me saying Van's or Van's RV-8 and they said NO....they want:

Experimental November 880 Bravo Charlie.

First time only.

After that it's zero bravo charlie

However when they are informing other aircraft of my presence they ALWAYS refer to me as an "experimental"....as in:

"Experimental to your right about 2 o'clock, 3 miles"

rv6ejguy 04-28-2019 01:33 PM

10,000 RVs flying. Controllers don't know what they are by now? I don't see the need for Experimental.

Around here (lots of RVs), we just say RV and so do the controllers. We never use Experimental, preceding type.

Saville 04-28-2019 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rv6ejguy (Post 1342837)
10,000 RVs flying. Controllers don't know what they are by now? I don't see the need for Experimental.

Around here (lots of RVs), we just say RV and so do the controllers. We never use Experimental, preceding type.

Other pilots may not know what they are. I didn't until 2015.

lr172 04-28-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saville (Post 1342838)
Other pilots may not know what they are. I didn't until 2015.

But they don't know what an "experimental" is either. At least in terms of using the name for visual identification purposes. When someone says experimental, it ranges from a classic warbird to a murphy moose to an RV.

I believe that when this rule was created, experimental aircraft were inherently more risky propositions (limited numbers, no kits, etc) and the FAA wanted the tower folks to be notified to deal with that increased risk. RV's don't really fall into that category of risk and likely why most controllers don't care that people call an RV an RV instead of experimental. The RV risk profile is on par with most certified aircraft.

Larry

Saville 04-28-2019 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lr172 (Post 1342841)
But they don't know what an "experimental" is either. At least in terms of using the name for visual identification purposes. When someone says experimental, it ranges from a classic warbird to a murphy moose to an RV.

I believe that when this rule was created, experimental aircraft were inherently more risky propositions (limited numbers, no kits, etc) and the FAA wanted the tower folks to be notified to deal with that increased risk. RV's don't really fall into that category of risk and likely why most controllers don't care that people call an RV an RV instead of experimental. The RV risk profile is on par with most certified aircraft.

Larry

But they ARE alerted to look for something other than a typical spam can. They are put on a heightened alert. They now know the situation is a trifle bit different than if a cherokee was coming in.

It's really helpful.

Electrogunner 04-28-2019 02:32 PM

RV
 
Around here it seems they prefer type as in RV. I?ve been saying RV 620RV on initial without question. Plus it lets them know our capabilities, so when they say RV 20RV cleared to land keep your speed up for #2 they know we can.

rzbill 04-28-2019 02:50 PM

I use "experimental" because of what I believe is communication clarity because of my N number.

I call "experimental 72 Mike Echo" and it is clear what my call sign is.

Lets say I call "RV 72 Mike Echo" , what is my N number? 72ME or just 2ME because the aircraft type identifier is "RV7". Same applies if I tried to say "RV7....72ME." Am I 772ME?

Once they get it, sure, self referencing as RV is fine but the EXP call habits are d***ed hard to break.


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