VAF Forums

VAF Forums (https://vansairforce.net/community/index.php)
-   RV-12/RV-12iS (https://vansairforce.net/community/forumdisplay.php?f=73)
-   -   RV-12iS Avionics Packages Available to Order (https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=166086)

greghughespdx 11-16-2018 06:06 PM

RV-12iS Avionics Packages Available to Order
 
RV-12iS Avionics Packages Available to Order

November 16, 2018 ? Van?s Aircraft has announced that it has opened orders for its RV-12iS avionics kits, which include complete state-of-the-art avionics options from both Dynon and Garmin. Builders may order these kits beginning today using the RV-12iS Avionics Kit order forms, which are located at:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/order-forms.htm
Van?s anticipates shipping initial orders for these kits starting in December. Note that when building the RV-12iS, the avionics kit is typically installed after the powerplant kit due to building sequence dependencies. Therefore, customers who have already ordered and received their RV-12iS Powerplant kit will have shipping priority if their avionics kit order is placed by December 15th.

Q&A

I am building the RV-12iS aircraft kit. What applies in my case?
  • If your RV-12iS aircraft is configured with the Rotax 912 iS Sport engine, you should order your choice of these newly-released avionics kit packages and options.
  • If your RV-12iS aircraft is equipped with a 912 ULS engine, an avionics kit configured for your engine/airframe combination will be available to order by January 7, 2019.

Can I customize these new avionics kits?

The available configuration options ? for both Garmin and Dynon equipment options ? are listed on the avionics kit order forms. When building an ELSA aircraft, you must choose one of the complete packages from the approved options listed on the forms.

I have ordered an SLSA RV-12iS that?s being built by the factory. Do I need to order these kits?

No. As an SLSA aircraft owner, your avionics selections are made using the SLSA ordering forms, which are up to date with the all available avionics options. Please contact Van?s SLSA support with any questions.
What should I do if I?m required to have a TSO?d radio and/or 8.33 kHz spacing as in certain countries that have those requirements?
Our ?international? avionics kit, which includes an ETSO/TSO-approved radio that provides both 8.33 kHz and 25kHz channel spacing, will be available for order by early January, 2019.

What about availability of the IFR avionics package Van?s uses on the RV-12iST trainer airplane?

An IFR avionics package that features the Garmin GTN 650 GPS/NAV/COM radio (which is also TSO approved and supports 8.33 kHz channel spacing) and the GMA 245 audio panel will be available to order by early February, 2019.

I have an original-style RV-12 and I?m interested in upgrading my avionics. Do these new kits apply to my airplane?

No, they do not. The original RV-12 avionics kits remain available for purchase and should be installed in the original RV-12 with the Rotax 912ULS engine. The original kits use much of the same avionics equipment, but include wiring, connectors and other equipment specific to the original aircraft configuration.

When will Van?s have an ADS-B Out option for my ?legacy? RV-12 with a Dynon D-180?

There are two paths to ADS-B Out compliance for the legacy RV-12 aircraft.
  • Van?s will publish a service letter in February, 2019 that will document a supported ADS-B Out solution for owners of original/legacy RV-12s configured with the Dynon D-180 EFIS and Garmin GTX-327 transponder. This solution will be a UAT/978 MHz add-on system, and will not replace existing equipment. Integration/installation instructions will be provided in the service letter.
  • For owners who wish to upgrade their D-180 instrument panels to a newer technology, it?s also worth noting that ADS-B In and Out upgrades are already available for original RV-12 aircraft via the installation of upgraded avionics/panel packages (specifically the supported Dynon Skyview, Skyview Touch, Skyview HDX and Garmin G3X Touch systems).

Bob Y 11-16-2018 07:49 PM

Scott, what powder coat color options are there for the instrument panel?

randylervold 11-17-2018 12:16 PM

Nice!
 
Great to have these options available!

To first time builders, or those who are intimidated by electronics wiring: you have no idea how much time and hassle these fully developed panel options will save you. As with all things from Van's I think they're a pretty darn good value as well after looking at the pricing.

rvbuilder2002 11-17-2018 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Y (Post 1303105)
Scott, what powder coat color options are there for the instrument panel?

Greg was the person posting the Avionics kit announcement so he would be the best person to confirm, but I believe the prefinished panels will be offered in only one color. The same metallic medium grey that was used on the prototype (N912VA)

The kit will include all 3 panel sections and the switch panel / throttle control portion of the center console, finish in this color with all of the placarding /logos silk screened on (with the exception of the N number), as shown in this photo.

[IMG][/IMG]

rcarsey 11-19-2018 12:19 PM

I'm happy they announced the rough date for the GTN package -- I'm looking forward to finally getting IFR rated! I wasn't even thinking about doing the rating until the option appeared on the roadmap...

subpar_bucker 03-19-2019 01:40 PM

Any update on the availability of the IFR avionics package?

rgaynor 08-18-2019 06:11 PM

At Oshkosh they announced it was available as an option, but I don't see an updated order form yet.

Rob

greghughespdx 08-18-2019 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subpar_bucker (Post 1332787)
Any update on the availability of the IFR avionics package?

The online order form will be published this week. I?ll be sure to post here when it?s up!

greg

Dmadd 08-18-2019 07:10 PM

I looked at the RV-12 at Independence airport yesterday. Very nice. It had a "TOGA" button for the missed approach segment... "Impressive" ;-)

DM

greghughespdx 08-19-2019 03:42 PM

IFR avionics package order form now available
 
Quick follow-up: We've published the order form for the RV-12iS IFR package. You'll find it here.

Announcement with the details is in this forum thread.

enterprise 08-19-2019 06:48 PM

I see in the picture of the 12isT it has a audio panel. Is this also included?

greghughespdx 08-19-2019 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enterprise (Post 1367794)
I see in the picture of the 12isT it has a audio panel. Is this also included?

Yes, it is. Important component for sure. I missed putting that one the list - now added. Thx!

lon@carolon.net 08-22-2019 05:37 PM

The order form for the G3X IFR package includes this italicized statement:

Note that the current Light Sport Aircraft standards (ELSA and SLSA) preclude operation in Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). While aircraft licensed under the LSA standard may be operated "in the system" under Instrument Flight Rules, such as in a training environment, certification as LSA currently prohibits IMC operations.

I believe this is incorrect. I have spent a great deal of time looking for the written source of the prohibition on IMC operations, and I have not found it or anything that even implies this is so. My research so far shows that the ASTM standards for LSAs is completely silent about IMC operations. I had heard that the ASTM LSA committee was going to take up the IMC issue at its meeting in October of last year, and I emailed a committee member to ask if IMC operations were on the agenda; but I didn't receive a response of any kind.

If anyone has the actual legal document that prohibits properly equipped LSAs from being flown in IMC, by Instrument Rated pilots, I would very much appreciate seeing the exact language, and its source.

lon@carolon.net 08-26-2019 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lon@carolon.net (Post 1368608)
The order form for the G3X IFR package includes this italicized statement:

Note that the current Light Sport Aircraft standards (ELSA and SLSA) preclude operation in Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC). While aircraft licensed under the LSA standard may be operated "in the system" under Instrument Flight Rules, such as in a training environment, certification as LSA currently prohibits IMC operations.

I believe this is incorrect. I have spent a great deal of time looking for the written source of the prohibition on IMC operations, and I have not found it or anything that even implies this is so. My research so far shows that the ASTM standards for LSAs is completely silent about IMC operations. I had heard that the ASTM LSA committee was going to take up the IMC issue at its meeting in October of last year, and I emailed a committee member to ask if IMC operations were on the agenda; but I didn't receive a response of any kind.

If anyone has the actual legal document that prohibits properly equipped LSAs from being flown in IMC, by Instrument Rated pilots, I would very much appreciate seeing the exact language, and its source.

Someone posted a detailed response to this, but that response is no longer here. Was it deleted, and if so why (it looked like it was written by someone with real knowledge) ? or did I only imagine that I saw it?

rcarsey 08-26-2019 12:59 PM

Well there was this from a couple years ago..

https://generalaviationnews.com/2017...ifr-in-an-lsa/

As far as I'm concerned though, if your E-LSA's POH prohibits spins, flight into IMC, etc. That's the final word. With that mindset, the question then perhaps becomes who is allowed to change the POH in an E-LSA? I don't know.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:16 AM.