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az_gila 07-25-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by flybill7 (Post 1275899)
I would think having your head down in the cockpit looking at ADS-B is the last thing you would want in this situation.

Yes, but the fact that ATC could see your registration would make it easier for them to sequence arrivals and ask/tell the 'queue jumpers' to loop back. :)

tmcquinn 07-25-2018 09:06 AM

This was the first year I drove. It may not be the last. I'm so sorry to read about the experiences a lot of you had. I was sitting on the ground at a nearby airport listening to ATC and talking to the people who landed after running through their fuel.

I think it's great that EAA is taking the issues seriously but unless someone can get the FAA to play ball it seems like little will change.

I do think it's unconscionable that anyone actually qualified to fly an aircraft would treat the NOTAM like some optional recommendation. A few years spent on the ground might get their attention.

Thermos 07-25-2018 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by flybill7 (Post 1275899)
I would think having your head down in the cockpit looking at ADS-B is the last thing you would want in this situation.

I absolutely agree that spending too much heads-down in the panel isn’t a good thing, but in a busy environment I’d be throwing away a valuable SA resource if I didn’t judiciously use ADS-B. Unless our airplanes and craniums are transparent, I guarantee our Mk 1 eyeballs wouldn’t have seen all the traffic that was around during Sunday’s furball! :D

scard 07-25-2018 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by flybill7 (Post 1275899)
I would think having your head down in the cockpit looking at ADS-B is the last thing you would want in this situation.

This is what I?ve been saying. I?ve yet to find an RV driver that agrees.

1001001 07-25-2018 09:57 AM

This situation is clearly:

1. A significant safety issue that needs addressing,

And

2. An issue that deserves careful thought as to the possible causes, true root causes and contributing factors, and solutions.

It is great to brainstorm and throw out ideas without jumping to conclusions or blaming groups or individuals before all the facts are in and analyzed. I am sure that with the fine minds available, a good solution will be identified and implemented. At the same time, until that implementation is complete and proven, I will probably not fly in. Some things are beyond my personal risk tolerance.

I look forward to an improved future here, and encourage the EAA in its efforts to do a thorough job..

sblack 07-25-2018 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by N941WR (Post 1275465)
Sunday evening we saw a V tail Bonanza ordered to go around as he almost landed on a Cessna. So the guy powered up, starts to climb, flies over the Cessna and lands in front of him. I'm guessing he didn't understand the term "Go around".

There was that great article in Flying (I think) way back, like 10-15 yrs ago called I have seen the enemy and it is us. Looks like not a lot has changed.

Why are people NOT getting violated for doing stuff like that? If people knew they would get nailed they would be less likely to be cowboys. I know it isn't fun for the FAA to do that but if they don't...

PerfTech 07-25-2018 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by scard (Post 1275915)
This is what I?ve been saying. I?ve yet to find an RV driver that agrees.

?.I am in full agreement, and at times in heavily congested areas I turn my
screen off, and keep my head outside where it belongs. SEE & be seen!!!

chrispratt 07-25-2018 10:23 AM

Just curious, with all that traffic so close together how do you suppress "TRAFFIC" alerts on your ADS-B Out/In equipment? I would think it would drive you crazy, much less scare the heck out of you.

Chris

sblack 07-25-2018 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Carlos151 (Post 1275884)
I was one of the arrivals in the mess on Saturday. .........
Here?s my take away?s of the whole mess:

1. If you can?t read or follow the NOTAM then you have no business being here.
2. ATC unknowingly rewarded the non compliers and the rest of us were penalized.
3. ATC closed runway 27 arrivals for the Bonanza mass arrival. Why? Haven?t flown a Bonanza, but can they not stop on 36L/R like the rest of us?
4. If you want to fly formation with me, let?s brief before the flight please.
5. Old guy/gal, young guy/gal, doesn?t matter. I saw plenty of non compliance from all groups.


6. ATC, if you witness a NOTAM non complier like I?m sure you did, spin him out of the pattern to the back of the line. If he does not comply, hotline to the tower, ?XYZ aircraft inbound, DO NOT grant a landing clearance?. If he continues, 1-800-FAA, violation time.

I think this has to be step 1. If this is not addressed nothing else is going to work.

az_gila 07-25-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by chrispratt (Post 1275927)
Just curious, with all that traffic so close together how do you suppress "TRAFFIC" alerts on your ADS-B Out/In equipment? I would think it would drive you crazy, much less scare the heck out of you.

Chris

Heck - Half (most?) of the traffic alerts won't even be shown since the non-ADSB folks are told to switch transponders to STBY before approaching Ripon.


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