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control 08-30-2018 07:51 AM

I have all downloaded... hopefully my 625 will be powered up in a week or two :)

rleffler 08-30-2018 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g3xpert (Post 1284637)
Hello Bob,

Both those links are working fine for me. You might try again.

Thanks,
Steve

They are now working for me too!

g3xpert 08-30-2018 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirko (Post 1284591)
Excuse my ignorant question: The new GTN s/w (6.50) has some VNAV capabilities that won't be implemented in our G3X systems until G3X v6.20 comes out next month, but it doesn't break any capabilities the G3X has now, correct?

Thanks Garmin Team for getting this update out to us this month, as hoped. And thanks to all early adopters for trying it out and providing feedback.

Thanks,
-Craig

Hello Craig,

You are very welcome. Here is a little more information on compatibility. We probably need to adjust the red text shown when you click on the service bulletin....

G3 Touch (GDU 4XX)
While the present G3X Touch V6.10 software does not display the new VNAV guidance provided by the GTN V6.50 software and does not support autopilot coupling to this new VNAV guidance, you may install GTN V6.50 and continue to use the GTN features you are using today. When the next G3X Touch release is available, GTN VNAV support, including autopilot coupling, will be available.
G3X (GDU 37X)
While the present G3X V11.70 software does not display the new VNAV guidance provided by the GTN V6.50 software and does not support autopilot coupling to this new VNAV guidance, you may install GTN V6.50 and continue to use the GTN features you are using today. We don?t have a G3X software release scheduled with this capability, but hope to do so at some point.

G5 System
A G5 system with the current software (V5.50) is fully compatible with GTN V6.50 including the display of VNAV path guidance complete with autopilot coupling.
Thanks,
Steve

robimagu 08-30-2018 01:52 PM

Just updated...

Seems I lost the ability to transfer a flight plan from Garmin Pilot to the GTN. The G3X reacts, but the GTN does not. If I "accept" it on the G3X, the GTN reports "failed".

Hopefully this will get fixed with the G3X 6.2 update.

RV8iator 08-30-2018 02:41 PM

Compatibility
 
Has anyone upgraded to 6.50 with any other EFIS’s. Just wondering what will and won’t work with my GRT HXr.

Will it display or fly the VNAV information like it now does in VNAV approaches?

g3xpert 08-30-2018 02:58 PM

Fixed in GDU 4XX v6.20
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robimagu (Post 1284720)
Just updated...

Seems I lost the ability to transfer a flight plan from Garmin Pilot to the GTN. The G3X reacts, but the GTN does not. If I "accept" it on the G3X, the GTN reports "failed".

Hopefully this will get fixed with the G3X 6.2 update.


Brian,

I loaded our bench with GDU 4.XX V6.10 and GTN V6.50 and confirmed the behavior you see. I can also confirm that this is fixed in GDU 4.XX V6.20.

We are pushing hard to get V6.20 out the door and expect it to be available in the next two weeks.

Thanks,
Levi

robimagu 08-30-2018 04:19 PM

Thanks Levi! I love the fact you guys are on here!!!

Cannon 08-30-2018 07:54 PM

Ok, question.

I have a GTN 650 in both my RV-8 panel and my 185 panel.

I know I can update the RV-8 software, but as an A&P can I also update the (certified) software in my C185?

I?m guessing no, since A&Ps aren?t allowed to repair instruments, but it?d be nice if I could save the downtime and labor cost.

Chris

jeffkersey 08-31-2018 07:36 AM

Dynon compatibility?
 
I would like to move to version 6.5 but want to make sure it will jive with my old Dynon D100/D120 efis setup. Has anyone with this setup upgrade to 6.5?

RickSolana 08-31-2018 08:26 AM

link not working for me
 
I only get "Not Found" when I click on the link provided to download the software. Am I missing something?

TX7A 08-31-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffkersey (Post 1284871)
I would like to move to version 6.5 but want to make sure it will jive with my old Dynon D100/D120 efis setup. Has anyone with this setup upgrade to 6.5?

Jeff
I have that setup and I updated mine yesterday with no apparent issues. Plan to go out in the morning for a test flight.

Sam

Spirko 08-31-2018 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickSolana (Post 1284882)
I only get "Not Found" when I click on the link provided to download the software. Am I missing something?

That link is broken for me also. Google, "Garmin: G3X Software Update Collection" Should be the first result.

Brantel 08-31-2018 09:36 AM

The links on this page work as of 10 seconds ago....

https://www8.garmin.com/support/coll...t=010-00G3X-00

Hartstoc 08-31-2018 03:30 PM

Hooray!
 
Now I can see the best way to update my Dynon D100/120 based panel. This news is timely, as I was about to pull the trigger for a pair of Skyview HDX touch displays along with a corral full of remote accessory units. I?ve decided instead to go all-Garmin.

I?ve learned(from a Garmin tech rep who used to work for Dynon)that nearly all of the engine sensors feeding the D120 will work with the Garmin G3X EMS module, including all temp, pressure, and fuel flow sensors, and that the Dynon AOA pitot should work with the G3X adahrs.

My new shopping list will be one 10? G3X touch, two G5 touch, a GTN navigator, a garmin autopilot, a GTX345R transponder, and assorted add on items.

The G3X Touch has bluetooth, which will talk nice to ForeFlight Pro on my iPad, so no need to add pricey Garmin FlightStream so long as I?m willing to update the cards from my laptop PC.. The thought of having everything on my panel be DESIGNED to work together flawlessly, all using the same symbology and ergomonic strategy is just too hard to pass up, and the cost of this whole setup will be right in the same ballpark as trying to marry Dynon HDX, a Garmin GPS navigator, and Foreflight. Ongoing subscriptions for IFRwill actually end up costing less.

I cannot wait to get this project rolling!- Otis

RickSolana 08-31-2018 04:38 PM

No links are working to provide the new software
 
I don?t know why, but the original link does not work, the secod link provided only has the instructions, and the google search proposed also only has the instructions. Is it me? Thanks for all the hel, though!

Brantel 08-31-2018 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickSolana (Post 1285018)
I don?t know why, but the original link does not work, the secod link provided only has the instructions, and the google search proposed also only has the instructions. Is it me? Thanks for all the hel, though!

The link I posted above worked about 10 seconds ago.

Timberwolf 08-31-2018 05:55 PM

I flew behind the new software for 3.5 hours today with no issues seen. Can't wait until the g3x software is out too take advantage of the new features.

RickSolana 08-31-2018 06:00 PM

Brian,

The only link I see for the GTN650 is a service bulletin, no software included.

jeffkersey 08-31-2018 09:46 PM

Good news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TX7A (Post 1284900)
Jeff
I have that setup and I updated mine yesterday with no apparent issues. Plan to go out in the morning for a test flight.

Sam

Sam, thanks for the response. Glad to here it seemed to all be working properly on the ground. Did you run it through all phases of flight? Approaches, etc?

Jeff

Brantel 08-31-2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickSolana (Post 1285035)
Brian,

The only link I see for the GTN650 is a service bulletin, no software included.

Sorry I am traveling and only have my phone.



The link I posted should take you to this page where you should see the link I circled above.

Hope this helps!

Mark Dickens 09-01-2018 05:26 AM

I installed the update yesterday, but haven't had a chance to fly with it. One question that I can't answer with the new manual: can you program crossing restrictions in the VNAV profile, like "cross 40 south of MEM at 4000", and have the 650/750 display the time to TOD? I've flown a lot with the G1000 and it's called "along track offset" on that unit and I used it a lot. I presume that the VNAV glidepath is funneled through the ARINC box as well so my Dynon autopilot can follow it?

g3xpert 09-01-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Dickens (Post 1285090)
I installed the update yesterday, but haven't had a chance to fly with it. One question that I can't answer with the new manual: can you program crossing restrictions in the VNAV profile, like "cross 40 south of MEM at 4000", and have the 650/750 display the time to TOD? I've flown a lot with the G1000 and it's called "along track offset" on that unit and I used it a lot. I presume that the VNAV glidepath is funneled through the ARINC box as well so my Dynon autopilot can follow it?

Hello Mark,

Glad to hear the update went well.

Yes, you may program an along track offset with an altitude constraint as you describe.

The GTN 750 V6.50 Pilot Guide upgrade supplement (for example) explains this beginning on page 4-9.

http://static.garmin.com/pumac/190-01007-19_A.pdf

We have had to update our systems/autopilots to utilize the new A429 data associated with VNAV mode guidance and would expect others to need to do the same.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Steve

Mark Dickens 09-01-2018 09:19 AM

Sorry to be dense but I have to create a user waypoint first and then use it in the flight plan? The g1000 automatically created and inserted a temp waypoint which was a lot more convenient. Just want to make sure I?m not missing anything

Mark Dickens 09-01-2018 09:26 AM

Never mind...I found it on page 4-7 of the manual

robimagu 09-01-2018 10:02 AM

Been reading the manual for 6.50...

With VNAV with FPA (flight path angle), temperature compensation, and lateral offsets, the GTN has become a full blown FMS. The only thing that seems to be missing is airspeed restrictions.

Am I missing anything?

Mark Dickens 09-01-2018 10:18 AM

Manual Changes
 
Is there a version of the manual with the changes highlighted.

RickSolana 09-01-2018 01:20 PM

Brian, I see it now! Can?t imagine how I missed it! Thanks very much.

jeffkersey 09-01-2018 01:24 PM

Ver. 6.5 with Trutrak Gemini
 
Is there any reason the new 6.5 update would not work with my Trutrak Gemini AP? I get a little nervous with updates but would love to have some of the new features...

jeffkersey 09-02-2018 09:26 AM

I like it...
 
Just did a test flight with V 6.5 in my GTN 650. Everything I tried seemed to work fine. The qwerty key entry is a real time saver.

Spirko 09-02-2018 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Dickens (Post 1285138)
Is there a version of the manual with the changes highlighted.

You've probably already found it, but Garmin posted a Pilot's Guide Upgrade Supplement, "This supplement contains the pages revised in the GTN 625/635/650 Pilot?s Guide, P/N 190-01004-03, Rev N, regarding the new features of software v6.50. Change bars are placed adjacent to the revised information as described in the revision summary table."

It's very clear which parts of the manual are new.

The supplement is on the regular Garmin manual download page: https://support.garmin.com/support/m...o=010-00813-50
Choose "Appliance Data" in the pull down menu.

TX7A 09-02-2018 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffkersey (Post 1285071)
Sam, thanks for the response. Glad to here it seemed to all be working properly on the ground. Did you run it through all phases of flight? Approaches, etc?

Jeff

Jeff

I did go out yesterday & fly the new software. I have a TruTrak VSGV & Dynon HS34. I punched in an approach for a nearby airport and it flew the coupled approach flawlessly. I haven't explored the new features in total yet, and still have ALOT more to learn about the GTN. But I did see where you could enter altitudes per waypoint for the approach. The A/P doesn't follow the VNAV data until it captures the glide slope as far as I can tell. I think that will be a capability only for GX3 with Garmin A/P.
I do love the new keyboard!

Sam

jeffkersey 09-02-2018 04:59 PM

VNAV?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TX7A (Post 1285428)
Jeff

I did go out yesterday & fly the new software. I have a TruTrak VSGV & Dynon HS34. I punched in an approach for a nearby airport and it flew the coupled approach flawlessly. I haven't explored the new features in total yet, and still have ALOT more to learn about the GTN. But I did see where you could enter altitudes per waypoint for the approach. The A/P doesn't follow the VNAV data until it captures the glide slope as far as I can tell. I think that will be a capability only for GX3 with Garmin A/P.
I do love the new keyboard!

Sam

Sam,

I took off and loaded an approach too. I put VNAV direct to the FAP and it did not climb to that altitude. I have to put the altitude into the Gemini AP. It did capture the glide slope for the RNAV approach just fine and couple the approach. I wonder if it was because it required a climb? I have a trip tomorrow and will see if VNAV will guide the AP in a decent.

Jeff

TX7A 09-02-2018 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffkersey (Post 1285434)
Sam,

I took off and loaded an approach too. I put VNAV direct to the FAP and it did not climb to that altitude. I have to put the altitude into the Gemini AP. It did capture the glide slope for the RNAV approach just fine and couple the approach. I wonder if it was because it required a climb? I have a trip tomorrow and will see if VNAV will guide the AP in a decent.

Jeff

Jeff,
I don't think the TruTrak (at least the VSGV) has that capability. I'm gong to share an email exchange I had with (Steve) G3Expert a couple of weeks ago regarding this:

"Steve,
Question regarding the GTN vertical NAV feature that you announced on the Vans Airforce forum.
I have a GTN650 navigator and a TruTrak A/P that flies coupled approaches. Will the new software update (V6.50) allow for the VNAV profiles through the TruTrak or is this ONLY for Garmin G5 & G3X equipment and A/P?s?
Also looking forward to the full screen keyboard.
Thanks also for your presence & help on the forum."

Reply:

"Hello Sam,

Good question.

Given that this new capability didn?t even work on Garmin equipment without a lot of software changes, it seems unlikely that the TT autopilot would work without changes, but it might depend on the model you have. It would probably be best to ask TruTrak if they have plans to add this support to your unit.

I think a lot of customers with the GTN 6XX units are going to really appreciate the new keypad.

Thanks, and you are welcome,
Steve"

Maybe a software update for the TruTrak? Maybe the TruTrak Vizion can do it? Who knows..... and I haven't talked to TruTrak yet.

Sam

Spirko 09-02-2018 06:23 PM

In section 4.3.3 of GTN Pilot's Guide Rev N, it lists:

4.3.3.1 VNAV Requirements
? Enablement by the installer


Is configuration of the GTN needed to take advantage of VNAV, beyond loading v6.50? Is new configuration of the G3X required?

I'm waiting for G3X v6.20, so haven't tried it yet.

Mark Dickens 09-03-2018 11:11 AM

I went out this morning and set up a short cross country, using a "along track offset" waypoint to see if my Dynon autopilot would couple to the VNAV signal from the 650. Nope. In fact, other than telling me when to descend, that feature was almost useless. No glidepath indication, nothing. Is the 650 not putting out the glidepath info through the A429 stream? It works for LPV approaches, why not enroute VNAV? Am I missing something?

Mark Dickens 09-03-2018 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirko (Post 1285413)
You've probably already found it, but Garmin posted a Pilot's Guide Upgrade Supplement, "This supplement contains the pages revised in the GTN 625/635/650 Pilot?s Guide, P/N 190-01004-03, Rev N, regarding the new features of software v6.50. Change bars are placed adjacent to the revised information as described in the revision summary table."

It's very clear which parts of the manual are new.

The supplement is on the regular Garmin manual download page: https://support.garmin.com/support/m...o=010-00813-50
Choose "Appliance Data" in the pull down menu.

Thank you!

Tooch 09-04-2018 02:57 PM

Settings
 
For those of you who have already done the update. Did you have to enter all your settings again?

rleffler 09-04-2018 03:27 PM

While I did take precautions to take photos of all my configuration pages, I didn't lose any of the configuration settings. I guess Murphy will strike if you don't have a record of the settings.:eek:

TX7A 09-04-2018 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tooch (Post 1285907)
For those of you who have already done the update. Did you have to enter all your settings again?

Like Bob, I took pics of all my settings screens before update. Glad I did. Lost all my ARINC, RS232, etc. settings. Punched them back in & did a test flight. All ok. :)

Mark Dickens 09-05-2018 06:48 AM

Question for Garmin
 
I posted this earlier, but I think it got lost in the Labor Day postings. I'd like to get an answer please:

"I went out this morning and set up a short cross country, using a "along track offset" waypoint to see if my Dynon autopilot would couple to the VNAV signal from the 650. Nope. In fact, other than telling me when to descend, that feature was almost useless. No glidepath indication, nothing. Is the 650 not putting out the glidepath info through the A429 stream? It works for LPV approaches, why not enroute VNAV? Am I missing something?"


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