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Piper J3 12-28-2018 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan92 (Post 1311392)
I got the new test firmware from Ryan and no disappearing traffic so far.

Dan

What are you displaying traffic on - iPad running ForeFlight?

Dan92 12-29-2018 05:03 AM

I'm displaying traffic on my GRT HX.

Dan

Paul 5r4 01-17-2019 09:40 PM

I spoke with Kurt today and received the beta firmware update for the ECHO UAT. I went to the hanger this evening and installed it without a hitch. Unfortunately, here along the Alabama gulf coast we're going to get rain and nasty weather this weekend and we had some drizzly rain move in today. I'm looking forward to testing it out ASAP and will post my results here along with letting Kurt know as well. He did tell me that the reports they've received with this latest beta firmware is positive! Stay tuned.

Piper J3 01-20-2019 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul 5r4 (Post 1317675)
I'm looking forward to testing it out ASAP and will post my results here along with letting Kurt know as well. He did tell me that the reports they've received with this latest beta firmware is positive! Stay tuned.

What are you displaying traffic on? iPad running ForeFlight?

Paul 5r4 01-21-2019 12:00 AM

My display is the iFly 740 from Adventure pilot. I also use a nexus tablet. I did fly this evening for maybe 20 minutes and am happy to report I don't think I saw any disappearing targets. I was flying alone so my eyeball time had to be split between outside and inside. I will continue to monitor....... But so far so good!

Pilot135pd 01-22-2019 08:15 PM

Loving this thread !

I'm very interested in buying the Echo with the SkyFYX GPS for my RV-8 but I'll be looking at -IN targets on my iPad Mini using WingX.

My other -OUT option is a Garmin but that's more expensive and I'm still going to need a Stratux or something like that for the -IN to my WingX.

Hopefully they'll have it all fixed by the end of the year. Where I fly it's not going to be mandated so I can wait out a fix but I'd like to buy it as soon as it's working correctly for additional safety.

Thanks to all of you who are sending your data to uAvionix to help solve this issue.

BobTurner 01-23-2019 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pilot135pd (Post 1318939)
Hopefully they'll have it all fixed by the end of the year. Where I fly it's not going to be mandated so I can wait out a fix but I'd like to buy it as soon as it's working correctly for additional safety.
e.

Just to be clear, ADSB-in will not be mandated anywhere.

Pilot135pd 01-23-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1318983)
Just to be clear, ADSB-in will not be mandated anywhere.

I know but just installing -IN leaves you without the benefits of the ground station repeating those aircraft without ADSB, and in this area it will be most aircraft.

Paul 5r4 01-29-2019 12:39 AM

Another update on the Echo UAT and disappearing targets. I've flown a few more times with the Beta software upgrade and haven't seen any targets pulling a vanishing act.

Pilot135pd 01-29-2019 10:40 AM

Great news, thanks !

Piper J3 02-01-2019 02:05 PM

Thanks Paul...

Paul 5r4 02-12-2019 10:34 AM

ECHO beta firmware update. I've flown several times since installing the update middle of last month and have not noticed anything disappearing. A couple days ago I was in the Pensacola/NAS Pensacola class C and there was plenty of flying going on. Seems everything is working as it should. Happy so far!

MartySantic 02-12-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul 5r4 (Post 1324109)
ECHO beta firmware update. I've flown several times since installing the update middle of last month and have not noticed anything disappearing. A couple days ago I was in the Pensacola/NAS Pensacola class C and there was plenty of flying going on. Seems everything is working as it should. Happy so far!

What is the version number of the beta update that uAvionix is sending nowadays. I installed echoUAT-system-3.29.uav and echoUAT-transceiver-2.4.42-20W.uav quite a few months ago. Wonder if they have made other changes since my install. Is working very well for me also. Nothing is disappearing.

Paul 5r4 02-12-2019 05:51 PM

I'm sorry, When I did the update, I had the information/version number and any additional information written down. No idea what I've done with that and I don't remember the version. Refer to post number 69. I spoke with Kurt and he gave me detailed instructions on what to do for the update. I'm sure a quick call will give you the latest version.

RONSIM 02-13-2019 06:27 AM

Sharing the Beta -- No disappearing targets
 
Three of us at KCLW are "sharing" version 2.4.43 of the Beta ---- we believe that the update is successful in that we are not seeing any targets blinking out. One plane has GRT screens, two of us have AFS screens, and all three have other, portable displays. Traffic is good on all.

Ron

EDIT: -- 2/21 --- have flown a couple more times and things are still good --- did an FAA report today --- 100% OK

Piper J3 02-14-2019 03:49 PM

I fly off of a private grass strip in northern Ohio. It's been swamp and I haven't flown since early Nov. Today the field was frozen and temp was 40F. I flew 1.5 hours in Class B for the first time with the new echo beta software. I saw about a dozen targets and all remained solid on my mini iPad running ForeFlight. So far, so good... :D

Piper J3 02-21-2019 12:32 PM

As mentioned in post above? I finally got to fly after installing beta software back in November. Targets and Wx looked solid. I requested a PAPR and got FAA reply that flight didn?t generate a report. I called Kurt at uAvionix and he suggested installing EchoUAT_v2.4.43-25W.uav which he sent to me. My echo keeps giving me an error message and won?t accept the new software. uAvionix is sending me a new transceiver at no cost. I?ll report progress soonest?

Pilot135pd 02-27-2019 04:30 PM

Does the Echo send GPS signal with the ADS-B IN signal to the ipad? I'm asking because the new WingX came out and it won't work on my current ipad mini (original version) so I'm considering buying a new ipad.

My current ipad mini has cellular but I want to buy the new one without cellular if I'm going to be using it exclusively in my airplane with the Echo.

tommylewis 02-27-2019 04:40 PM

echo uat
 
Yes, the EchoUAT does send the gps position in the data stream on wifi.

Pilot135pd 02-27-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tommylewis (Post 1328016)
Yes, the EchoUAT does send the gps position in the data stream on wifi.

Cool, then Wifi iPad it is, thanks !

Lars 02-28-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pilot135pd (Post 1328024)
Cool, then Wifi iPad it is, thanks !

But I can tell you from personal experience installing several Echos that the iPad can't use that gps data to know where it is. If you buy a wifi only iPad you will need an external gps chip for that.

tommylewis 02-28-2019 09:46 AM

not my experience
 
Well, my experience is based on running an Android wifi only tablet without internal gps running Avare. It works fine with gps positions shown while flying when connected to the EchoUAT wifi. Have no idea why we have different experiences??

Good luck.

Robertc 02-28-2019 09:56 AM

It only works if your app can eat ADSB data such as an EFB like Foreflight or iFly. It doesn?t go directly into the iPad. It works for me with iFly. YMMV

Lars 02-28-2019 11:06 AM

iPad and Foreflight
 
Specifically the issue I've seen running ForeFlight on a wifi-only iPad is that traffic is depicted in the correct location on the map background, but ForeFlight (the iPad) doesn't know where your own aircraft is. It was an easy thing to check. My iPad has an internal GPS (wifi + cellular version). The iPads in question did not. I'd go flying with the customers in their airplanes with both iPads along. Mine knew where we were, the others didn't. Plugging a Bad Elf external GPS or similar into the wifi-only iPad would solve the problem.

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 11:12 AM

Different opinions and uAvionics hasn't replied to my email requesting this info.

MartySantic 02-28-2019 12:36 PM

Personally I would spend the extra $100 and then be able to use the iPad in the car when on vacation.

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MartySantic (Post 1328211)
Personally I would spend the extra $100 and then be able to use the iPad in the car when on vacation.

My truck has a really big moving map in the dash that runs off of my iPhone 6s on Sprint (personal) and I also carry an iPhone 6S+ on AT&T (business). On top of that I have a Garmin Nuvi for when I'm out of cellular signal, which happened twice on a drive from Indiana home and once driving north of Houston coming home.

I never use the iPad in my car. Since I retired from commercial flying I only use the iPad in the airplane for fun so why waste an extra $150 for a cellular iPad if I don't need it and I can use that money for something else? On long trips in the truck cross country I always take my Mac Air laptop in case I want to watch movies or rsearch something while tethering off of my iPhones.

GalinHdz 02-28-2019 02:59 PM

Or do as I did, buy a $200 ANDROID tablet, use the free FltPlanGo app and escape the whole "I-thingy $$$" stranglehold. :D

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 03:01 PM

I have an android tablet laying around too but I'd have to check if the new WingX works the same on it as it does in the iPad. I'll have to go see. Oh and I use the FlghtplanGo app on it and my iphones too.

YellowJacket RV9 02-28-2019 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lars (Post 1328193)
Specifically the issue I've seen running ForeFlight on a wifi-only iPad is that traffic is depicted in the correct location on the map background, but ForeFlight (the iPad) doesn't know where your own aircraft is. It was an easy thing to check. My iPad has an internal GPS (wifi + cellular version). The iPads in question did not. I'd go flying with the customers in their airplanes with both iPads along. Mine knew where we were, the others didn't. Plugging a Bad Elf external GPS or similar into the wifi-only iPad would solve the problem.

I have a WiFi only iPad and use ForeFlight and my echo/safefly gps with no problem, the position data works fine. But remember that the echouat itself has no gps. What position source was the echo using when you had issues?

Chris

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowJacket RV9 (Post 1328353)
I have a WiFi only iPad and use ForeFlight and my echo/safefly gps with no problem, the position data works fine. But remember that the echouat itself has no gps. What position source was the echo using when you had issues?

Chris

The Echo with the SkyFYX GPS is exactly the combo I plan to use so then it seems like wifi only iPad is back on the table?

YellowJacket RV9 02-28-2019 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilot135pd (Post 1328355)
The Echo with the SkyFYX GPS is exactly the combo I plan to use so then it seems like wifi only iPad is back on the table?

It?s worked fine for me with three generations of WiFi iPads.

Chris

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 09:30 PM

Thank you !

Lars 02-28-2019 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowJacket RV9 (Post 1328353)
I have a WiFi only iPad and use ForeFlight and my echo/safefly gps with no problem, the position data works fine. But remember that the echouat itself has no gps. What position source was the echo using when you had issues?

Chris

Exactly that combo. 3 different aircraft. iPad didn?t know where it was. External gps chip solved the problem each time. My understanding was/is that the gps info supplied via the WiFi signal to the iPad couldn?t be used by the iPad for self-location. Only reporting what I personally observed.

Pilot135pd 02-28-2019 10:32 PM

So it may be a configuration issue if it works for some and not for others.

akschu 03-04-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertc (Post 1328179)
It only works if your app can eat ADSB data such as an EFB like Foreflight or iFly. It doesn?t go directly into the iPad. It works for me with iFly. YMMV

This is the answer, but I'll explain more to clarify:

The application that runs on your ipad is an application that can get it's GPS source from anything it's been designed to. So in the case of ifly or flyq or whatever, they know how to get the GPS position from the ADS-b receiver using the same connection it gets traffic from (wifi).

The ipad itself, and it's built in applications use the internal gps if there is one, or a bluetooth GPS (like a bad elf).

If the ipad is talking to an external GPS over bluetooth, it can export that data to any application.

So if you are fine with only having the GPS data when you are using a compatible app and ads-b receiver at the same time, then you can get away with a wifi only ipad. If you want GPS for anything else, you need to get the internal gps model or use a iOS supported external GPS.

If I had an airplane dedicated ipad, and the app I was using supported getting gps from the asb-r receiver I was using, I'd probably just get the wifi model.

Right now I'm using flyq and a stratux. When in flight the flyq app ignores the internal GPS and uses the one on the stratux because it's much more sensitive than the internal one on the ipad.

schu

Pilot135pd 03-04-2019 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akschu (Post 1329143)
This is the answer, but I'll explain more to clarify:

The application that runs on your ipad is an application that can get it's GPS source from anything it's been designed to. So in the case of ifly or flyq or whatever, they know how to get the GPS position from the ADS-b receiver using the same connection it gets traffic from (wifi).

The ipad itself, and it's built in applications use the internal gps if there is one, or a bluetooth GPS (like a bad elf).

If the ipad is talking to an external GPS over bluetooth, it can export that data to any application.

So if you are fine with only having the GPS data when you are using a compatible app and ads-b receiver at the same time, then you can get away with a wifi only ipad. If you want GPS for anything else, you need to get the internal gps model or use a iOS supported external GPS.

If I had an airplane dedicated ipad, and the app I was using supported getting gps from the asb-r receiver I was using, I'd probably just get the wifi model.

Right now I'm using flyq and a stratux. When in flight the flyq app ignores the internal GPS and uses the one on the stratux because it's much more sensitive than the internal one on the ipad.

schu

That's pretty much what WingX replied when I asked them. They can get my GPS position info from the ADS-B traffic signal that's going into the WingX app. If I want to use any other WingX functions like gas prices, ceilings, visibility, etc, then I would need an iPad with cellular service, or my iPhone.

Pilot135pd 03-08-2019 02:28 PM

And to confirm what WingX told me here's uAvionix' answer:

Hi Carlos,

Thanks for contacting uAvionix about your ADS-B needs for your RV-8. The echoUAT is a prefect solution for your aircraft and tablet. You do not need the Cellular model. The WiFi only ipad will get the GPS location along with the Weather, Traffic, TFR and other data via the WiFi connection from the echoUAT.

WingX is compatible with the echoUAT and I've personally used this setup extensively with a WiFi only iPad Mini.

I hope this helps. Please check our our echoUAT / skyFYX GPS bundle here https://uavionix.com/products/echo-uat/ . Order yours today and put the 2020 Mandate behind you. Please let me know if you have any questions or need assistance with getting your echoUAT on the way.

Thanks,

Shane Woodson
uAvionix Corp.

Robertc 03-08-2019 04:07 PM

Shane, any updates on the disappearing targets. It happens to me on occasion.
Thanks,
Bob

Pilot135pd 03-08-2019 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robertc (Post 1330218)
Shane, any updates on the disappearing targets. It happens to me on occasion.
Thanks,
Bob

Shane didn?t post this information. I received it by email and posted it here.


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