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GaryK 03-25-2018 04:44 PM

Works for me
 
When I flew this past Thursday both weather and traffic displayed fine on ForeFlight. And no I don?t have any other device that sends data to ForeFlight other than Dynon.

Gary

krw5927 03-26-2018 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryK (Post 1248564)
When I flew this past Thursday both weather and traffic displayed fine on ForeFlight. And no I don?t have any other device that sends data to ForeFlight other than Dynon.

Gary

Gary, care to share what software versions you're running on both Skyview and Foreflight? What Dynon ADSB module?

Also, are there other settings you're using? How did you set this up in both Skyview and Foreflight?

I contacted Foreflight this weekend and was told it's not working yet.

Mark Dickens 03-26-2018 09:27 AM

My feeling (and it's only that) is that Foreflight has a little bit of an attitude problem here and it's related to their relationship with Appareo. They ought to just admit it and quit pretending that they plan to deal with it. I currently have both a subscription to Foreflight and Garmin Pilot. Both expire in the fall, and if Foreflight hasn't resolved this by then, I am not going to renew with them, and I'll just go forward with Garmin. If I can interface a Stratux box with Pilot, I'll do it, but Foreflight isn't going to be a part of my life moving forward.

MercFE 03-26-2018 09:29 AM

I'm just amazed everyone is flying with Foreflight up, when all that weather and traffic is displayed on the pretty Dynon screen. :p

Hopefully it will eventually be displayed on Foreflight, but what we've got is pretty nice.

Mark Dickens 03-26-2018 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MercFE (Post 1248733)
I'm just amazed everyone is flying with Foreflight up, when all that weather and traffic is displayed on the pretty Dynon screen. :p

Hopefully it will eventually be displayed on Foreflight, but what we've got is pretty nice.

The iPad is a much easier display to use than the Classic D700s that I have, plus the display options from FF and Garmin are much better. What I want to do is use my second D700 display for engine instruments only and have my moving map, etc on my ipad. Three screens instead of two and a much better user interface than the Dynon option. My opinion

RViter 03-26-2018 09:44 AM

And the solution?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by krw5927 (Post 1248507)
THIS. Garmin, Advanced Flight Systems (a Dynon company), GRT, MGL.... ALL the competitors accept GDL90 over RS232. Dynon, meanwhile, continues dragging their entire customer base down the path of overpriced, proprietary boxes that didn't work correctly for nearly a year and don't talk to other devices. Yet they've never come out to explain why their proprietary box is better than a Stratux.

I must have missed the detour on this thread, when it went from solutions and settings to 'whining, rinse and repeat'. If it's productive, then all for it. But the focus of the question raised by the v15.3.3 and 'new' ADSB-472 pertains to why/how some get TIS/FIS with a -470 and others don't. Seems that the 'newly' released -472 and 15.3.3. is expected to work and has a firmware update.

Maybe if the thread focuses on those who say it works, what gear and settings are used? My environment is SkyView 'Classic' D1000 & WiFi to iPad/ForeFlight (current latest SW releases on all). Doesn't work for me, yet. Oh, and ADSB-470. [All Dynon gear]

Maybe the poster(s) who says it worked will enlighten us with the working gear/settings? Or, we can beat the dead horse more and see if it solves the problem.

Someone at FF suggested that it's possibly related to the IP:Port assignment, and mentioned Port 4000. Mine shows Port:8384, but find no way to set the port so it's the default.

RViter 03-26-2018 09:56 AM

Nice indeed!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MercFE (Post 1248733)
I'm just amazed everyone is flying with Foreflight up, when all that weather and traffic is displayed on the pretty Dynon screen. :p

Hopefully it will eventually be displayed on Foreflight, but what we've got is pretty nice.

Yes, it is 'nice indeed' on the SkyView but 10" is not enough for PFD, EMS, and moving map. Would like to use the moving map WITH TIS-B on FF and devote the single SkyView to PFD/EMS (the primary dynamic flight tools). Of course, the Dual Screen EFIS is the new 'minimum' as we move ahead, but poverty limited my choices to one EFIS and FF, FN (e.g. ForNow).

How my grandfather flew in an SE-5 is beyond me. And there was no EFIS in the B-32 which Dad flew. How'd he get home?
We will have a Dynon solution soon ...

GaryK 03-26-2018 10:28 AM

Kurt,
I should be flying on Wednesday, will take a few screen shots. That is if it works like it did last week! I always had weather on ForeFlight but traffic didn't appear until I installed the new 472 and Ver 15.3.3

Gary

GaryK 03-28-2018 05:29 PM

Yes and No
 
Kurt,
So the answer is yes and no. When I flew home last Thursday I had weather and traffic on ForeFlight via WiFi from the Dynon. As I was warming up the engine this afternoon made sure the iPad was WiFi connected to Dynon. Before I even took off I had traffic on both the Skyview screen and ForeFlight. The ForeFlight MAP selection tab that brings up VFR Sectional, IFR Low and all the other MAP selections has a new icon that says TRAFFIC, just under Hazard Advisory. You can see the 4 targets. I also have Flight Category on.

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Flew over to Greenville for fuel, 15 minutes I was back in the air. Figured I would take a few more shots of the traffic and guess what. No TRAFFIC selection on ForeFlight!! I closed the program and restarted, no joy. WiFi was definitely connected. Seems intermittent at this point so definitely not fixed. Not sure if it's Dynon or ForeFlight. I have the latest and greatest 472 and ver 15.3.3.

Gary

krw5927 03-29-2018 09:25 AM

Thank you for the update, Gary! I have the ADSB-470 box and have never seen the traffic selection option in that list. Unsure whether that's because of the 470 or I just haven't hit the Dynon-Foreflight ADSB lottery on any flight yet.

Mark Dickens 03-29-2018 12:02 PM

Seeing this makes me wonder if rebooting the ipad will help. The reason I say this is that I have had to do this when using FF with my G1000 in my Cirrus. The data comes over the FlightStream 210 and it will work fine at first and then all of the traffic will disappear. Killing FF and restarting it doesn't help...only rebooting the ipad helps. Makes me wonder. I have a short cross country scheduled for tomorrow morning and I'll experiment on the way, and report back

GaryK 03-29-2018 01:16 PM

Reboot
 
Mark,
I did reboot the ipad, didn't help on this flight. I'll check what happens on the next few flights, maybe we can narrow this down. ForeFlight must be getting some type of traffic signal from Dynon that gets the Traffic Icon to appear. It does it automatically, I didn't make the selection.

Gary

Mark Dickens 03-29-2018 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryK (Post 1249575)
Mark,
I did reboot the ipad, didn't help on this flight. I'll check what happens on the next few flights, maybe we can narrow this down. ForeFlight must be getting some type of traffic signal from Dynon that gets the Traffic Icon to appear. It does it automatically, I didn't make the selection.

Gary

That's disappointing to hear. I'll try it out anyway and see what happens.

lrgabriel 04-14-2018 11:30 AM

I've had no luck with either traffic or weather on SV v15.3.3.

However, ForeFlight announced that v10 will have broad GDL 90 support:
https://www.foreflight.com/connect/spec/

Fingers crossed for this being the (long, long overdue) solution!

Mark Dickens 04-14-2018 11:46 AM

That's great news, if a day late and a dollar short. The question I have is: when is FF going to fully interface with Skyview to provide traffic to FF?

lrgabriel 04-14-2018 12:04 PM

I think a lot of the delay has come from each company blaming the other for incompatibility--at least with FF's spec publicly documented, we know who to bother to get this working!

CubedRoot 04-14-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Dickens (Post 1253046)
That's great news, if a day late and a dollar short. The question I have is: when is FF going to fully interface with Skyview to provide traffic to FF?

Well, with this announcement, the onus is squarely on Dynon at this point. Dynon REALLY needs to just support GDL 90 output streams.

rvator51 04-25-2018 08:30 AM

Fzoreflight version 10 came out yesterday With the enhanced GDL 90 support. Does anyone want to update their ForeFlight software and report back if it now works with Dynon Wi-Fi for traffic and weather? my RV is disassembled for Paint so will be down for a few more weeks.

Mark Dickens 04-25-2018 12:09 PM

If I read FF's announcement correctly, they are saying that they have taken the GDL-90 spec and extended it...thereby changing a "standard" format into a proprietary format. So, in order to work with Skyview, FF is saying that Dynon needs to support FF's new proprietary form of the GDL-90 in order to inter-operate with FF. Am I right? If so, basically FF is saying we'll play with others as long as we get to make up the rules.

CubedRoot 04-25-2018 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Dickens (Post 1255564)
If I read FF's announcement correctly, they are saying that they have taken the GDL-90 spec and extended it...thereby changing a "standard" format into a proprietary format. So, in order to work with Skyview, FF is saying that Dynon needs to support FF's new proprietary form of the GDL-90 in order to inter-operate with FF. Am I right? If so, basically FF is saying we'll play with others as long as we get to make up the rules.

That's not how I read it. Foreflight is interpreting standard GDL90 data, including AHRS information. The Stratux Project is fully sending proper AHRS, weather, and traffic information to Foreflight using GDL90 as an example.

However, Foreflight has enabled their product to listen for other data in the GDL90 stream. It looks like about the only thing they have "extended" or are doing thats non-standard is the ID bits. This lets a device send specific ID information that can be displayed in Foreflight, which is kind of nice.

Here's the spec as was published by Foreflight: https://www.foreflight.com/connect/spec/

Again, Foreflight has fired directly back at Dynon. Now, Dynon needs to get its act together and start sending standard GDL90 data.

Mark Dickens 04-25-2018 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubedRoot (Post 1255570)
That's not how I read it. Foreflight is interpreting standard GDL90 data, including AHRS information. The Stratux Project is fully sending proper AHRS, weather, and traffic information to Foreflight using GDL90 as an example.

However, Foreflight has enabled their product to listen for other data in the GDL90 stream. It looks like about the only thing they have "extended" or are doing thats non-standard is the ID bits. This lets a device send specific ID information that can be displayed in Foreflight, which is kind of nice.

Here's the spec as was published by Foreflight: https://www.foreflight.com/connect/spec/

Again, Foreflight has fired directly back at Dynon. Now, Dynon needs to get its act together and start sending standard GDL90 data.

Yes, that makes more sense...thanks for the correction.


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