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Kentsrv7a 02-27-2018 11:40 AM

G3X Touch Software
 
Any words on when we can expect a fix or should we all revert to 5.6? Just looking for a little guidance before moving forward/backward. Thanks!

cyrus 02-27-2018 02:41 PM

5.70 touch
 
I flew with 5.7 yesterday, and noticed the touch interface wasn't as responsive as it was with my previous flights - meaning I would press buttons multiple times and they wouldn't register - or the would highlight, showing that I did press it - but it didn't activate. This was most prevalent when I was trying to type in the identifier for the waypoints

dano_nc 02-27-2018 02:45 PM

First, a quick reminder that we are flying experimental aircraft. If you want a higher level of reliability it is going to come with increased costs and and fewer options (i.e. the world of certified aircraft).

That said, I think Garmin has maintained a remarkable level of reliability considering their rapid pace of development with a relatively small team of people. I'm grateful that I have panel with capability and a price-point people only dreamed about 10 years ago.

One last note, I offered to do Beta testing for Garmin and they said their legal department will only let Garmin employees test software.

Walt 02-27-2018 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dano_nc (Post 1242653)
One last note, I offered to do Beta testing for Garmin and they said their legal department will only let Garmin employees test software.

Easy fix for that, put some beta testers on the payroll :D

dano_nc 02-27-2018 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walt (Post 1242673)
Easy fix for that, put some beta testers on the payroll :D

Absolutely! I had an opportunity to work for Garmin last year in their systems group doing new technology development. Great people, fantastic benefits, and a way to do what you love all day every day! Unfortunately the timing and location wasn't right for the rest of my family. It would have been fun to beta test the latest and greatest!

bkervaski 03-16-2018 11:15 AM

Version 5.90 (Mar 16, 2018) just showed up ...

https://www8.garmin.com/support/coll...t=010-00G3X-00

jliltd 03-16-2018 05:42 PM

After the last go around I believe I will wait a few weeks before updating....

sibriggs 03-17-2018 10:20 AM

Version 5.90
 
Installed 5.90 this morning, all went well. G5 was the slowest to update, so advise go slow in the the shutdown and reboot of G3X as the G5 takes a while to receive and update software.

AP worked fine and no other issues detected.

G3X
G5
GTN625
GDL39
GTR20
307 and VP-X Pro

Steve

Jared_Solomon 03-18-2018 01:58 PM

Looks to be OK
 
Installed 5.90 Friday afternoon and took it up for a flight. Everything appears to work smoothly, including the G5, GSA28 Servos and GMC-307 controller.

sibriggs 03-18-2018 06:55 PM

5.90
 
Flew 5.90 again today with AP, works as it should, thanks Garmin guys. No issues and no surprises.

Steve

Planecrazy232 03-19-2018 07:46 AM

Which screen first?
 
Does it matter which screen receives the update first? PFD-MFD (Left to right) or MFD-PFD (right to left)??

g3xpert 03-19-2018 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planecrazy232 (Post 1246913)
Does it matter which screen receives the update first? PFD-MFD (Left to right) or MFD-PFD (right to left)??

Hello Anthony,

No, it doesn't matter, but personally I like to insert the software update card in the MFD and power up the MFD and update that display first, they power-up the PFD and update it.

When the PFD resets after loading the software to internal memory, I hold down the menu key to bring it up in configuration mode so I can watch all of the various devices being updated on the system information page. Only when all of the software updating by the PFD is complete do I restart the system in normal mode.

Thanks,
Steve

Brantel 03-19-2018 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g3xpert (Post 1246917)
Hello Anthony,

No, it doesn't matter, but personally I like to insert the software update card in the MFD and power up the MFD and update that display first, they power-up the PFD and update it.

When the PFD resets after loading the software to internal memory, I hold down the menu key to bring it up in configuration mode so I can watch all of the various devices being updated on the system information page. Only when all of the software updating by the PFD is complete do I restart the system in normal mode.

Thanks,
Steve

I second Steve's method! I like to see the LRU's update so I know when they are finished. Seems to help eliminate surprises later...

bkthomps 03-19-2018 09:00 AM

i have only had luck by updating one at a time, and leaving the adjacent screen powered off completely

otherwise I get high network error rates on at least one module when updating, I have no idea why this is, and my can bus passes all the tests

Dorfie 03-19-2018 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g3xpert (Post 1246917)
Hello Anthony,

No, it doesn't matter, but personally I like to insert the software update card in the MFD and power up the MFD and update that display first, they power-up the PFD and update it.

When the PFD resets after loading the software to internal memory, I hold down the menu key to bring it up in configuration mode so I can watch all of the various devices being updated on the system information page. Only when all of the software updating by the PFD is complete do I restart the system in normal mode.

Thanks,
Steve


Steve,
This is interesting.
I've always used 2 SD cards and updated the 2 screens at the same time.
Any issue doing it this way?
Thanks.
Johan

g3xpert 03-19-2018 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorfie (Post 1246977)
Steve,
This is interesting.
I've always used 2 SD cards and updated the 2 screens at the same time.
Any issue doing it this way?
Thanks.
Johan

Hello Johan,

No problem using 2 software update cards if that is what you want to do, but since it only takes about 15 secs to do a software update, I sure wouldn't take the time to create/maintain two software update cards.

It is more common for people to use two database update cards to cut down the time for that loading activity, and perhaps that is what you meant.

Thanks,
Steve

jliltd 03-21-2018 08:20 PM

I just installed v 5.90 in an aircraft that previously had autopilot trouble with v 5.70. Everything seems okay. However, it took well over an hour just for the G5 update. The servo updates were about 15 minutes. The automatic update went in the sequence of GDU 465 (less than 20 seconds) then upon reboot the system updated the autopilot servos. Then came the G5 update. An hour later the servo update executed again. Glad I had a maintainer on the airplane. So be wary of the update if depending on ship's battery alone.

Jim

Planecrazy232 03-21-2018 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jliltd (Post 1247694)
I just installed v 5.90 in an aircraft that previously had autopilot trouble with v 5.70. Everything seems okay. However, it took well over an hour just for the G5 update. The servo updates were about 15 minutes. The automatic update went in the sequence of GDU 465 (less than 20 seconds) then upon reboot the system updated the autopilot servos. Then came the G5 update. An hour later the servo update executed again. Glad I had a maintainer on the airplane. So be wary of the update if depending on ship's battery alone.

Jim

Interesting. I just upgraded from 5.6 to 5.9 and the whole process took about 5 minutes with the G5 and servos taking the longest. Could be 5.7 had something to do with your long update.

g3xpert 03-22-2018 08:05 AM

Hello Jim and Anthony,

Of course the software update I was referring to taking 15 seconds is the transfer of the new G3X Touch software for all LRUs into each GDU 4XX display from the SD card.

The updating of each device on the can bus (e.g. servos and G5) which has new software for a particular update is an additional update time, but not generally long.

If you are in configuration mode on the PFD and seeing a device taking a long time to update (e.g. G5), remove power from everything in the system but PFD1 and the device you are trying to load. This will remove all other communication from the CAN bus and streamline the software load to the device which is not completing the software update.

It is ok to power up a few devices with PFD1 (e.g. all servos) when they are on the same power circuit, but the main thing is to remove as much as possible to reduce non-essential communications on the CAN bus during a software update. Powering off some devices on the CAN bus is generally not necessary, but can be a good way to resolve software update issues when observed.

Please contact us directly by phone or email if you have additional questions.

Thanks,
Steve

Robert Anglin 03-22-2018 08:59 AM

Us too.
 
We like the way Steve has mentioned. We take everything off line, then boot up the GDU. Load the new software and then bring the other items in the Garmin system on line. It take a minuet or less each time we up-date. We were running 5.7 with no problems and just switched to 5.9 a couple of flights ago. It so far checks out just fine.

I asked Garmin and they tell me that they are planning to bring the gear to up-date GTXer's to Sun and Fun, so we will get that done as well if needed.
Hope this helps. Yours, R.E.A. III # 80888

Planecrazy232 03-24-2018 04:17 PM

5.9 anomaly report
 
I flew with 5.9 today on a multiple leg flight with 4 landings and shutdowns. On my first leg, the GMC307 lights would flash one at a time in a pattern (AP, NAV, and FD). The autopilot never unhooked and worked perfect while this was happening. The flights after this it never resurfaced. Anybody else have any reports?

Spirko 04-03-2018 12:49 PM

5.9 worked, no issues, today. I noticed the airplane icon (my plane) showed up as red in color. Does this indicate anything?

Gt-401 04-03-2018 01:01 PM

qwerty??
 
I moved from 5.6 to 5.9 and I thought we were supposed to get a qwerty keybord in the update, is there a setting to change the format?

digidocs 04-03-2018 01:54 PM

It's a menu option---I believe under Main menu-->Setup.

g3xpert 04-03-2018 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirko (Post 1250619)
5.9 worked, no issues, today. I noticed the airplane icon (my plane) showed up as red in color. Does this indicate anything?

Hello Spirko,

The ownship aircraft icon was changed to magenta (not red) on the charts due to some requests we received to improve the contrast of the ownship icon on those charts, especially in night mode.

The digital map ownship icon remains white.

Thanks,
Steve

hgerhardt 04-03-2018 04:59 PM

I'm still having a screen refresh issue with 5.90... when zooming in, say for landing, it's many seconds before the dashed lines from previous flights go from swollen fuzzy blobs to the correct dashed line appearance. With previous releases, the screen would refresh in a couple seconds at most when zooming.

Heinrich

digidocs 04-03-2018 05:49 PM

It's hard to quantify, but I've also noticed that the system seems generally slower and more laggy than it did before 5.9.

KeithB 04-03-2018 06:50 PM

I just logged 10 hours over 2 days using 5.9 with no issues with the autopilot. However, I agree that refreshes of map data appear to be slow in certain circumstances - more so on the PFD than the MFD.

g3xpert 04-03-2018 08:05 PM

Hello,

We are going to replay several hours of V5.90 flight test videos and see if we can spot what you guys are talking about. :)

We run a camera up close on the pilot side GDU 460 PFD, and always operate the displays in split screen mode with a map, so perhaps we will see something.

It isn't uncommon for minor task scheduling adjustments to be made on a software release when analysis shows that improvements can be made, and since map drawing is a relatively low priority, it is possible we have impacted it in some small (but observable) way under certain conditions.

Thanks,
Steve

Zuldarin 04-03-2018 08:16 PM

I will add my voice to the screen refresh issue. I noticed a slightly longer delay between resolution updates when zooming. It also seems to take a long time for the charts to show up. Its always take a second or two but this weekend I was showing off my G3X Touch to a friend and when I flipped to the regular VFR chart it took about 5 seconds for the chart to render. I don't usually use it but there are times when its nice especially near Class B airspace shelves.

N96TJ 04-03-2018 09:27 PM

I saw a significant new delay in map redraw for some map features with V5.70, enough so that I thought the software had frozen up at first. It did not seem nearly as bad in V5.90 although I don't have much time on the newer version yet.

g3xpert 04-19-2018 03:52 PM

Hello,

We wanted to give you an update that we have been able to identify and correct the issue that was causing the map drawing delays that several have reported in V5.90 software.

We are working on one additional improvement that we would like to get into the software related to the above report of flashing lights on the GMC 305/307 before we release V6.00.

Thank you for your patience,
Steve

Planecrazy232 06-12-2018 07:11 AM

Any update on the v6.0 software? I'm still having the occasional flashing lights. Also, when I choose NAV it will not engage the magenta line. Sometimes both the NAV and HDG lights will be lit at the same time and I have to toggle back and forth until it will grab the NAV line.

g3xpert 06-12-2018 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Planecrazy232 (Post 1266349)
Any update on the v6.0 software? I'm still having the occasional flashing lights. Also, when I choose NAV it will not engage the magenta line. Sometimes both the NAV and HDG lights will be lit at the same time and I have to toggle back and forth until it will grab the NAV line.

Hello Anthony,

We expect V6.00 to be released within the next week. We apologize for the delay.

Most of what you describe is normal autopilot behavior. If your active lateral mode is HDG and the plane is not close to and on an intercept path with the course line, when you press the NAV button on the GMC, NAV mode will be armed, but not active.

Simply turn the aircraft with the HDG knob to put the aircraft on an intercept path with the course line, sit back, and watch the autopilot automatically capture the course line (NAV mode moves from armed to active and the HDG light goes out) when the aircraft is close to intercepting the course line.

Thanks,
Steve

g3xpert 06-15-2018 02:29 PM

V6.00 Now Available
 
Hello,

G3X Touch V6.00 is on our website now.

Thanks again for your patience.

Thanks,
Steve

KeithB 06-16-2018 07:02 AM

After the issues with V5.7 (albeit minor), we are all a little less willing to be the guinea pig on a new release - especially a primary one ending in .0. However, I?m less than a week from a 4 week jaunt to Alaska and so I?m doubly shy.

Any PIREPs on this release (absence of problems and/or observations on new features) would really be appreciated.

hgerhardt 06-16-2018 07:45 PM

Flew once with 6.0 yesterday and the map redraw is definitely faster, although still not stellar. But, it's been so long since pre-5.70 that I can't remember if it's the same as it was before or not. Haven't tried AP performance, so no comment there. Yet.

Walt 06-16-2018 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeithB (Post 1267247)
After the issues with V5.7 (albeit minor), we are all a little less willing to be the guinea pig on a new release - especially a primary one ending in .0. However, I?m less than a week from a 4 week jaunt to Alaska and so I?m doubly shy.

Any PIREPs on this release (absence of problems and/or observations on new features) would really be appreciated.

About 1.5 hrs today with 6.0, most of the flt with the AP driving, multiple approaches using all modes, 0 issues.

Spirko 06-17-2018 08:15 AM

The AOA/stall warning tone has been intermittent on my system. I see "Improve AOA/stall warning tone output" in the changes to v6.0, is this likely to make tone reliable?

bkthomps 06-17-2018 01:35 PM

what features constitute a major release for version 6.0?

It looks like mostly small improvements, are there any systems or modules that have received a rewrite?


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