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bkervaski 12-01-2017 08:15 AM

Videos .. My wish list would have Van's offer a library of professional quality videos for various tasks that covers what first time builders need throughout the entire build process.

In additional helping builders produce a higher quality product that will sell more airplanes it will help sell more kits than anything else by eliminating the apprehension of potential customers thinking they "can't build an airplane".

In the new modern internet world people are doing research online before making a purchase like this. Running across a huge, organized library of official company "how to" videos would make the decision easy.

1001001 12-01-2017 08:28 AM

I would love the opportunity to build my own 6-seat twin (or single, but preferably a twin).

With the rapid advances in electrical energy storage technology, I wonder when it will be viable to consider a kit-based multi-motor (think many small fans) electric airplane similar to some of the real experimental stuff that has been coming out recently.

While even the best batteries are badly outclassed by liquid fuels right now, it is possible that this will change in the next couple of decades. When that happens (probably due in large part to advances driven by drone and automotive tech), it will be a very interesting time.

1001001 12-01-2017 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bkervaski (Post 1222543)
Videos .. My wish list would have Van's offer a library of professional quality videos for various tasks that covers what first time builders need throughout the entire build process.

In additional helping builders produce a higher quality product that will sell more airplanes it will help sell more kits than anything else by eliminating the apprehension of potential customers thinking they "can't build an airplane".

In the new modern internet world people are doing research online before making a purchase like this. Running across a huge, organized library of official company "how to" videos would make the decision easy.

Also I agree with this...it might even be supportable with an ad-based monetization on Youtube. Getting pro-quality videos out there in front of "the masses" might drive more kit sales...

Bill Boyd 12-01-2017 08:33 AM

Amen on a video library
 
The vid on doing the windscreen to forward deck fairing being a good example of daunting tasks made less so by good hand-holding :)

I know this takes time, but if Stein can do it for avionics...

1001001 12-01-2017 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Boyd (Post 1222550)
The vid on doing the windscreen to forward deck fairing being a good example of daunting tasks made less so by good hand-holding :)

I know this takes time, but if Stein can do it for avionics...

Exactly...I forgot to mention that video even though I was thinking of it...

Jrskygod 12-01-2017 10:11 AM

Yup a video library of major tasks would make many wanna be's builder bees when they can see the task being done and it is not quite so daunting.

larrys 12-01-2017 10:16 AM

Speed
 
I asked Van once "what about a turbine". I just got the stare. I assume I was the 20,000th person asking the same question that day. He just went back to writing on his yellow legal pad with what I assume where more good ideas he was thinking about.

My assumption, or his look was saying "son you do not understand the danger".

Then I picked up the copy of the article on flutter they have at the booth at most of the airshows. It was a good handout for my question, I assume that is why it is there. Then I looked up some videos on the subject and it will scare the **** out of you!

On the other hand, it seems that engineers have a much greater grip on why and what makes it happen. I am sure Van and his teams are the top of the crop of engineers that can figure it out. It is more a focus of "it is worth it" Even on this forum when people talk of the Rocket it only goes a little faster but it seems to be the quest for many.

Aviation always has trade offs, but... It seems greater speed is within reach.

On the flip side, floats would be a great value. If you go to the Alaska Airmen show up in Anchorage there are floats everywhere! And the desired plane up there if often and older Cessna taildragger with floats. Basically a more powerful RV- 10 /14.

Fun to dream, but hopefully my RV-14 won't be updated / outdated like the obsolete 12's.
Larry

StuBob 12-01-2017 01:19 PM

They don't need a new airplane; they need a new way to help builders. Everyone I know who's completed an RV in less than 10 years was an engineer or someone else who worked with plans professionally. Zenith is giving their builders a read-only copy of the SolidWorks files for their airplanes. I can't imagine how great it would be to see the parts in 3-D from every angle before putting them together. Almost every mistake I've made started with mis-reading the plans.

For instance, the plans show all kinds of little symbols to denote rivet sizes. Imagine being able to hover the mouse over the symbols instead of having to look back and forth between the drawing and the legend.

Or, how many places on the plans are you directed to look at another view, something like "A-A'?" You should be able to click on the spot in question and drag it around until you've seen it from every angle.

The airplanes are pretty mature, but the plans and manuals are due for some modernization. And that's coming from a guy in his 50's!

Bob Kuykendall 12-01-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MLock (Post 1222480)
To everyone and especially Mr. Mach .26...

We do happen to have that tapered RV wing under development, designed by the guy who developed the RV-10 and RV-14 wing profile... ;)

rv7boy 12-01-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by StuBob (Post 1222617)
They don't need a new airplane; they need a new way to help builders. Everyone I know who's completed an RV in less than 10 years was an engineer or someone else who worked with plans professionally... I can't imagine how great it would be to see the parts in 3-D from every angle before putting them together...

...Imagine being able to hover the mouse over the symbols instead of having to look back and forth between the drawing and the legend.

...You should be able to click on the spot in question and drag it around until you've seen it from every angle.

The airplanes are pretty mature, but the plans and manuals are due for some modernization. And that's coming from a guy in his 50's!

I agree with you StuBob, and I am an engineer but I'm in my 60's! :eek:
You make some valid points.


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