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anidmarty 05-03-2018 06:57 PM

BRS for RV10
 
Where do I sign up?

edsong 05-04-2018 06:38 AM

Cost$$$
 
The cost of maintaining the Cirrus BRS system is substantial. It's not something you install once and have at the ready for the lifetime of the airframe.

Eddy

TomSpencer46 05-04-2018 06:24 PM

Cost $$$
 
The latest (June) issue of kit planes has a article on installation in a 9a the price is not mentioned. The cost of repack on the chute every 6 years and the cost of rocket every 12 years is $1000 each. Not bad compared to the every 5 year AD on my Bonanza Harrtzell prop. Not sure this link will be available to everyone.

http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/35_6...A_22106-1.html

Just do not tell my wife I have already gone over budget on this project.

Bill Boyd 05-04-2018 06:34 PM

I just have a feeling
 
... this is not going to be drop-in compatible with the custom overhead console I put in :rolleyes:

tfoster100 11-18-2018 02:28 PM

Latest update
 
Haven?t heard much on this recently. Curious about results or status of anyone pursuing this. Thanks

shoprat 11-19-2018 04:22 PM

BRS Chute Installation for RV10
 
Update: BRS is now shipping the RV10 install hardware. I received it last week with a PDF of the manual. The chute and rocket should be shipping in the next couple of weeks.


Bruce McGlamery

Paddy 11-19-2018 05:27 PM

Post Pictures!
 
Post some pictures of it when it arrives!

Cirrus Man 01-07-2019 07:30 PM

Why a CRC ??
 
Surviving a mid-air collision, and/or uncontrolled IMC issue

MConner 01-08-2019 06:31 PM

Not interested any more.
 
I was excited too until I saw some pictures of the installation. The chute fires horizontally from the fuselage just aft of the rear bulkhead. The straps are wrapped around the exterior of the aircraft with covers. I thought it was unattractive and looked like a lot of drag.

Shays 01-14-2019 03:49 PM

That's interesting. Are there any pictures out there on how it looks like installed?

mikebee 01-14-2019 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shays (Post 1316779)
That's interesting. Are there any pictures out there on how it looks like installed?

Although it's not the RV-10, you can see pictures of how they cover the straps on the side and top of other RV models on their website here:
https://brsaerospace.com/rv/

shoprat 01-15-2019 02:02 PM

BRS RV10 Update
 
Received the chute and rocket today so now have the complete kit. Here are the published numbers on the documents:

System Weight: 51 pounds
Repack/rebuild time for chute and rocket: 10 years
Aircraft Gross weight: 2,866 LB
Deployment Speeds: 163.3 kt TAS
Model: RV10SI-09

I'll post pictures of the kit in the next few days.

Bruce

Shays 01-16-2019 03:40 PM

Thanks Mikebee, I wonder how much drag that will create..

Looking forward to it Shoprat.

Canadian_JOY 01-16-2019 05:27 PM

A sample size of one data point is included here for your consideration.

While the Glasair Sportsman and RV10 are obviously different aircraft, one Sportsman owner had the WARP retrofitted to his aircraft. He reports no change in speeds, and just a touch over 50lbs reduction in useful load. In that particular aircraft the larger impact is the aftward shift in empty C of G, thus potentially having a greater limiting factor on cargo carrying capacity as the aircraft may run out of C of G range before it runs out of useful load.

echozulu 01-28-2019 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canadian_JOY (Post 1317291)
A sample size of one data point is included here for your consideration.

While the Glasair Sportsman and RV10 are obviously different aircraft, one Sportsman owner had the WARP retrofitted to his aircraft. He reports no change in speeds, and just a touch over 50lbs reduction in useful load. In that particular aircraft the larger impact is the aftward shift in empty C of G, thus potentially having a greater limiting factor on cargo carrying capacity as the aircraft may run out of C of G range before it runs out of useful load.

I'm thinking this could be countered mostly by going to Lithium batteries and locating it on the firewall. Other builders have commented in that past that such a move required 20~30lbs of ballast in the baggage area when flying solo, so this may not be as dramatic of a change on CG on the RV-10 with appropriate reshuffling of components.

rocketman1988 01-28-2019 02:22 PM

batteries
 
You may want to research how much room there is on the -10 firewall for batteries...it is pretty tight, especially if you have the stock oil filter and a standby alternator...

mikebee 02-05-2019 11:22 AM

Pricing and Release Date
 
Just received an email from BRS:

They are publicly launching the parachute system on Feb 15, 2019. Early bird launch price (for the first 50 units) of $25,990. First come, first served. You can place orders now.

Weight: 82lbs
Dimensions: 20.6" x 19.8" x 18.3"

echozulu 02-05-2019 11:40 AM

I sent an email to BRS to ask for more pictures and some more details on their installation, especially what kind of CG impact they found mounting it behind the bulkhead to see if that's something that I could do. Looking at the email they sent out now, it looks like it takes up slightly more than half of the baggage compartment, and weighs 82lbs, which basically renders the baggage compartment useless.

I want a parachute, but this is a bit too much of a tradeoff.

rocketman1988 02-05-2019 12:18 PM

yep...
 
that's a fact!

echozulu 02-05-2019 12:34 PM

They replied surprisingly fast.

Here's a photo they sent of the installation. They claim it's 1/3 of the cubic footage, 1/2 of the floor space.


Went back with more questions about CG impact, weight etc.

echozulu 02-09-2019 11:33 PM

I promised an update and never delivered.

BRS did get back to me very quick on my request.

BRS is using 83.53 lbs and 169.38" to calculate W&B for retrofit aircraft. Obviously, on new builds, you would just weigh the aircraft. BRS said via email that the structure has additional support and/or bypasses baggage area structure, so you are only limited by CG on how much weight in the baggage area.

I'll let y'all make up your own mind on whether this works for you or not.

ebridges 02-23-2019 10:44 PM

Does anyone know why the system is so expensive? Seems to be about 10k more than the 172/182 kits. I don?t know if I can justify it for that price.

smash603 03-30-2019 08:50 PM

interested!! any updates?

rocketman1988 03-30-2019 08:53 PM

Umm...
 
Could it be that there have only been about 800 RV-10 kits sold versus the THOUSANDS of Cessnas?

MElstien 03-31-2019 07:15 PM

2,000 RV kits sold
 
Hello, There have been 2,000 RV-10 kits sold and I have read that Vans says the RV-10 continues to be one of the best sellers in recent years.

rocketman1988 03-31-2019 07:31 PM

Numbers
 
According to Van?s, there are currently 919 flying -10s. Still pales incomparison to the number of 172/182 aircraft out there...

oren_rokach 08-09-2019 01:30 PM

Up to date statistics
 
Hi guys
Anyone has some statistics on how many actually installed?
Do you believe they might reconsider the price?

Oren

45n_flyer 08-09-2019 04:38 PM

Any update from those who have already purchased?
 
Any updates from those that have purchased the kit? Pictures of the installation and the general kit would be appreciated! Also what are your thoughts on W/B? having a chute back there beats the heck out of water ballast when flying solo!

9krpm 09-30-2019 03:41 PM

The additional installation and metal work on the fuselage is not very eye pleasing in these pictures

https://brsaerospace.com/rv-10/

Has any one explore the option of running the BRS straps through the top surface of the canopy so that it can be well hidden under a light layer of fiberglass without affecting the aircraft contour/structure?

N941WR 09-30-2019 06:42 PM

Unless it is tested in flight, there is simply know if this thing will work.

If it doesn't work and becomes a "streamer", you would have been better off gliding to a landing, even a crash landing.

I appreciate all of your concern but you might be better off putting that money into maintenance and additional training, if safety is your top priority.

Snowflake 10-01-2019 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman1988 (Post 1335626)
Could it be that there have only been about 800 RV-10 kits sold versus the THOUSANDS of Cessnas?

That would only matter if they were making BRS kits for every Cessna. I doubt the sales rate for retrofitting 172's is as high as the installation rate in new-build RV-10's.

rocketman1988 10-01-2019 02:49 PM

Install rate
 
I would be curious as to the install rate in new RV-10s.

I am not interested in installing one in mine as giving up half the baggage area and 80+ pounds of payload is not appealing...

I am also curious as to the data on structural or flight control failure pertaining to the RV-10, as those would be valid reasons to have the chute...

Skepilot 09-23-2020 09:23 AM

Has anyone used a chute other than BRS? There are at least two other options:

Magnum Ballistic Parachutes This is who TAF uses in their Sling line of airplanes.

Galaxy Recovery Systems This is who Pipistrel uses in their airplanes.

I found one guy who posted here that he was putting a Magnum chute in his RV-10. I have PM'd and emailed him, but no reply. (Appears he hasn't been active on VAF in years.)

These other options appear to be lighter and less-expensive than BRS's offering (both in terms of purchase and repack), and are trusted by numerous manufacturers.

Would love to hear from anyone who have used any non-BRS chute on a Vans plane, especially an RV-10.


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