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Jaws 09-15-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rleffler (Post 1204191)
I would agree if purchasing new. For those of us that already have sunk cost in a Navworx unit, the decision point is a little different for each of us.

In my case it's stick with the AMOC and use my 327 and the 650 as a position source, but risk future software updates may not support the original platform (costs $0.00), upgrade to the new boards and GPS ($600), or install a new transponder (Trig) and an ADSB receiver (Dynon/AFS) ($3,000).

What option I prefer and what option I can afford are different. Just like most things in life. :D

The above pretty much describes my situation. Although equipment is different, $$$ decisions are the same. With an unlimited budget I'd do a lot differently but as an "early adopter" of Navworx on limited resources my path is set.

BTW, I have had nothing but the best service responses from Bill at Navworx. Whatever I've asked for Bill was able to provide. Hope the same level of service continues under the new arrangement. As always, YMMV.

rforsythe 09-15-2017 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rleffler (Post 1204189)
You don't mention what else is in your panel. That would must likely cause me to sway one way or another on the recommendation.

At the moment basically nothing of note. I intend to put in a 430W and Skyview HDX early next year, but due to my proximity to the DEN Class B, I must replace the dead transponder now to keep flying. However the future integrations also require a bit of forethought.

With that avionics combo I don't see any world where I don't end up with dual wifi networks running at minimum. The Skyview would provide one for nearly everything including VFR plans to the autopilot, but I'd want a FlightStream for loading IFR plans from ForeFlight into the 430, as manual entry is tedious on those. Given that, maybe I care less about the onboard ADS-B wifi capability right now and just run the Stratux for a while longer, and put that feature lower on the list.

So if you didn't place wifi as high on the list, but want fixed-transceiver In/Out with data (ARINC/RS-232) to other displays at minimum, which way do you go? This is where the Naxworx is appealing at least on paper, but obviously they have left a sour taste with many of you thus far.

rforsythe 09-15-2017 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mich48041 (Post 1204202)
The Appareo Stratus ESG has GPS data out. Or do you mean it does not have traffic and weather? I like the fact that the Appareo is just one box, not dependent on other brand equipment. If two different brands are connected together and there is problem, each manufacturer will blame the other, leaving you caught in the middle. I would rather just have one box to fail, not two.

FIS-B/TIS-B data out to another "box". If they were to include industry standard protocols, anything else should consume the data just fine. When I put the Skyview in, I want to see those things on the display.

rleffler 09-15-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rforsythe (Post 1204212)
At the moment basically nothing of note. I intend to put in a 430W and Skyview HDX early next year, but due to my proximity to the DEN Class B, I must replace the dead transponder now to keep flying. However the future integrations also require a bit of forethought.

With that avionics combo I don't see any world where I don't end up with dual wifi networks running at minimum. The Skyview would provide one for nearly everything including VFR plans to the autopilot, but I'd want a FlightStream for loading IFR plans from ForeFlight into the 430, as manual entry is tedious on those. Given that, maybe I care less about the onboard ADS-B wifi capability right now and just run the Stratux for a while longer, and put that feature lower on the list.

So if you didn't place wifi as high on the list, but want fixed-transceiver In/Out with data (ARINC/RS-232) to other displays at minimum, which way do you go? This is where the Naxworx is appealing at least on paper, but obviously they have left a sour taste with many of you thus far.


If you are seriously looking at the Skyview HDX, then I would clearly recommend getting the Dynon branded Trig ES transponder and their ADSB receiver. That is assuming you want to scrape your Navworx unit It may have some resell value, but it's too early to tell at the moment.

Since you don't have the 430W yet, I would recommend talking a hard look at the Avidyne GPS. I'm not up to speed on the HDX, but I'm assuming many of the AFS features will cross pollenate across the Dynon line.

Foreflight works seamlessly with an AFS 5X00 EFIS and the Avidyne product line. You can transfer flight plans to/from Foreflight, as well as the EFIS airdata to Foreflight as well. BTW, AFS also can function as a Wi-Fi client to a Stratux unit too.

BobTurner 09-15-2017 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rleffler (Post 1204238)
If you are seriously looking at the Skyview HDX, then I would clearly recommend getting the Dynon branded Trig ES transponder and their ADSB receiver. That is assuming you want to scrape your Navworx unit It may have some resell value, but it's too early to tell at the moment.

Since you don't have the 430W yet, I would recommend talking a hard look at the Avidyne GPS. I'm not up to speed on the HDX, but I'm assuming many of the AFS features will cross pollenate across the Dynon line.

Foreflight works seamlessly with an AFS 5X00 EFIS and the Avidyne product line. You can transfer flight plans to/from Foreflight, as well as the EFIS airdata to Foreflight as well. BTW, AFS also can function as a Wi-Fi client to a Stratux unit too.

+1, except Ralph has indicated he's not yet ready to pull the trigger on the Skyview. And I think the Dynon/Trig transponder is remote-mounted, meaning he needs the Skyview to use it! Also, I think the Avidyne is a fine GPS, but notably more expensive than a used 430W. My recommendation is to immediately buy a used 327 for around $400 (plus certification cost). If you go a different route in 6 months, you can probably re-sell it for about what you paid for it.

rforsythe 09-15-2017 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1204316)
My recommendation is to immediately buy a used 327 for around $400 (plus certification cost). If you go a different route in 6 months, you can probably re-sell it for about what you paid for it.

I keep orbiting around that idea too. I eat a little money on it, but resale should be about what I pay now. It just goes away in the spring when I do the Skyview, and the plane is legal in the meantime. I am also waiting for an email from Dynon to tell me what 'In' transceivers would work now and in the future in case I just decide to go all the way now, but I was hoping for the Skyview's integrated remote boxes to reduce panel clutter when all said and done. I have since learned that they won't talk to a 345 or Lynx, so those are right out. :/

Mich48041 09-16-2017 07:25 AM

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FIS-B/TIS-B data out to another "box". If they were to include industry standard protocols, anything else should consume the data just fine. When I put the Skyview in, I want to see those things on the display.
I assume that you are talking about the Stratus ADS-B-IN portable receiver. The Stratus ESG Transponder does not receive traffic and weather. The ESG is OUT only.
If you install the SkyView in the future, you can buy the dual band SV-ADSB-472 receiver to display traffic and weather on the SkyView.

DavidBunin 09-17-2017 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rleffler (Post 1204189)
For many of us, we can't confirm the Foreflight support until 5.0 is released for the ADS600-B. There is a bug in 4.1.0 in which display port 2 doesn't function properly when display port 1 is serial attached to an EFIS. The symptom is that the iPad sees the SSID, recognizes the Navworx unit, but no traffic is transmitted. According to Bill, this is fixed in 5.0. The same symptom also is present with WingX.

My wifi module is on display port 1. I can confirm that it does indeed work on ForeFlight.

rforsythe 09-18-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mich48041 (Post 1204408)
I assume that you are talking about the Stratus ADS-B-IN portable receiver. The Stratus ESG Transponder does not receive traffic and weather. The ESG is OUT only.
If you install the SkyView in the future, you can buy the dual band SV-ADSB-472 receiver to display traffic and weather on the SkyView.

Yeah, I was thinking more of the ESGi pairing. The two boxes talk to each other, it'd be nice if the ESG could take that and output to something else.

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Originally Posted by DavidBunin (Post 1204555)
My wifi module is on display port 1. I can confirm that it does indeed work on ForeFlight.

Thanks for that confirmation! You get both traffic and weather?

I am trying to confirm from Dynon whether anything other than their self-branded uAvionix receiver will even work with the Skyview. That's likely to be the deciding factor in what's next, though I think best case would be something like a Navworx since they've already confirmed in their own forums that 345/Lynx are incompatible.

More to follow, but I'm anticipating a 327 and a new encoder in my near future most likely. Really appreciate the input and insight everyone!

DavidBunin 09-19-2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rforsythe (Post 1204901)
Thanks for that confirmation! You get both traffic and weather?

There was no significant weather on the day I was checking it out. So I can't tell you that I saw weather, but Foreflight did put up the grey bars that indicate "nothing to see here".

My understanding was that the bug related to the port 2 data only affected the traffic in the first place. So maybe another forum member can confirm the weather display more positively than I can for you. I saw traffic, and called it a day (put the iPad away and went back to the instrument panel).


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