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rleffler 08-22-2017 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoda (Post 1198403)
I have been watching the NAVWORX site for the promised EXP Version 6.0.0 and 7.0.0 software and haven't seen it. Would like to purchase the EXP GPS fix but wanted to see that the software promised 8/15 is available first.

Next question, has the FAA approved the use of the new GPS and version 7.0.0 software as a remedy for the AD?

Thanks,

Ron

In working with the FAA to get the AMOCs that were published last week, I was told that they really were impressed with Bill's submission and technology. They couldn't say anything more due to NDA.

I know that ours were held up a week or so to ensure that they would be eligible for the FAA rebates. I would suspect that Bill is having to deal with similar opportunities.

While I don't really know anything more than what I've shared, I would suspect that everything will be available shortly. The FAA doesn't publish dates or set any expectations on when they'll complete tasks. Mentioning a date may not have been the best decision for Navworx. I would give them a few more weeks to allow the FAA to do their stuff.

While I have an AMOC to make me legal again, I am still going to upgrade. I just don't want to be in the front of the queue.

rforsythe 09-14-2017 02:16 PM

Hi all,

Can any of you that has one of these confirm or deny whether it works with ForeFlight at all? I got an unconvincing "well, it's an app so it should work" answer from someone at Navworx, however I have been unable to get a response from anyone else there who knows for sure. I'm trying to make a decision on what's next, e.g. GTX-327 now w/ Navworx in a month or two when they ship, or just bite the bullet and go with a more expensive all-in-one option that I know will work. As my current transponder has failed and I need Mode C to fly here, I need to decide quickly.

Thanks!

Timberwolf 09-14-2017 03:08 PM

keep the 327 and go with the new Garmin GDL82. Cheaper and problem solved. I would never in a million years recommend Navworx. Not that it doesn't work, but the whole way everything went down the FAA was sketchy, at best.

BobTurner 09-14-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf (Post 1204039)
keep the 327 and go with the new Garmin GDL82. Cheaper and problem solved. I would never in a million years recommend Navworx. Not that it doesn't work, but the whole way everything went down the FAA was sketchy, at best.

As I read his post his current transponder has failed.
If he doesn't mind used, 327's are going for $400., a great deal.
If only new equipment, some mode S-ES transponders are now in the $2K price range, e.g., Trig TT22.
Like you, I wouldn't touch navworx with a ten foot pole. Besides, there are now less expensive options.

Tracer 10 09-14-2017 07:45 PM

ADSB and ForeFlight
 
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Originally Posted by rforsythe (Post 1204029)
Hi all,

Can any of you that has one of these confirm or deny whether it works with ForeFlight at all? I got an unconvincing "well, it's an app so it should work" answer from someone at Navworx, however I have been unable to get a response from anyone else there who knows for sure. I'm trying to make a decision on what's next, e.g. GTX-327 now w/ Navworx in a month or two when they ship, or just bite the bullet and go with a more expensive all-in-one option that I know will work. As my current transponder has failed and I need Mode C to fly here, I need to decide quickly.

Thanks!

We installed the Appareo Stratus ESGi Transponder with 2i; which gives you a 310 watt WAAS Mode ES transponder; with ADSB IN/OUT on 1090 & 870 Plus weather into Foreflight on our IPad Mini. Easy installation & never looked back.

rforsythe 09-14-2017 10:03 PM

So, different feedback than I was anticipating, but useful. Bob is correct, my current transponder ate it a few weeks back, so I am exploring options. An avionics shop I am working with suggested the 327+Naxworx combo, but I have a couple criteria including ForeFlight, so I don't know if that'd even work. They also suggested using a portable box alongside the Naxworx for 'In', but I want a fixed In receiver and less clutter. I use a stratux already. Plus, having to augment a device that already provides something with another device to do the same thing is just ... silly.

The one and only real drawback with the Appareo is lack of an output which can feed data to other avionics. It works with the iPad fantastically, however, and meets all other criteria.

With Garmin, it appears the only way to get single-box In/Out with wifi and future direct avionics connectivity is a GDL88 if I paired a 327, and at that point I may as well just stick a 345 in there, or go really nice and get a Lynx.

I was liking the Navworx concept - Out/In, wifi, ARINC+RS-232, WAAS, all in a box for about $2100 plus a cheap GTX-327 to drive it. But based on a lot of feedback in places like VAF, plus my own inability to even get a simple feature question answered, I am tending to agree other options will likely be better (even if more expensive up front). Garmin and L-3 aren't cheap, but they are always available on the phone.

Thanks for the input!

rleffler 09-15-2017 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner20 (Post 1198076)
Just received a FAA Safety email.

FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
It?s not too late to reserve your ADS-B Rebate! NavWorx avionics now eligible!
Notice Number: NOTC7328

Attention pilots and aircraft owners: The ADS-B Rebate Program will now allow aircraft owners with NavWorx ADS600-B avionics, part numbers 200-0012/0013, to apply for a rebate.

To be eligible, rebate applicants who purchased and installed these NavWorx units after September 19, 2016 must comply with section (e)(1)(iv) of the recent Airworthiness Directive (AD 2017-11-11), or use an FAA-approved Alternative Method of Compliance.

The FAA is offering a $500 rebate for new ADS-B installations in fixed-wing, single-engine piston aircraft. The last day to make a rebate reservation is September 18, 2017, if reservations are still available. Once the reservation is established, you will still have up to 150 days to complete the remaining steps in the process.

Are you eligible for a rebate? Please visit faa.gov/go/rebate/ for details.

Questions? For questions about the ADS-B rebate program, please contact ADSBRebateHelp@faa.gov.

Ralph, Phil, and I just received updated General Appliance AMOCs that cover just about every certified Garmin GPS to be used as a position source. They were posted to the AOPA site yesterday. If you used one of the original AMOCs, they're still good. The new ones just added more 4xx, 5xx, 6xx, and 7xx models, as well as fixing a FAA omission to include the 200-0012 for the Garmin 480.

While I would still recommend getting the Navworx upgrades. The AMOCs are a good stop gap to address the AD in the short term and to get a rebate for those that may be eligible.

bob

rleffler 09-15-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rforsythe (Post 1204029)
Hi all,

Can any of you that has one of these confirm or deny whether it works with ForeFlight at all? I got an unconvincing "well, it's an app so it should work" answer from someone at Navworx, however I have been unable to get a response from anyone else there who knows for sure. I'm trying to make a decision on what's next, e.g. GTX-327 now w/ Navworx in a month or two when they ship, or just bite the bullet and go with a more expensive all-in-one option that I know will work. As my current transponder has failed and I need Mode C to fly here, I need to decide quickly.

Thanks!

For many of us, we can't confirm the Foreflight support until 5.0 is released for the ADS600-B. There is a bug in 4.1.0 in which display port 2 doesn't function properly when display port 1 is serial attached to an EFIS. The symptom is that the iPad sees the SSID, recognizes the Navworx unit, but no traffic is transmitted. According to Bill, this is fixed in 5.0. The same symptom also is present with WingX.

You don't mention what else is in your panel. That would must likely cause me to sway one way or another on the recommendation. I personally like the Trig OEM transponders that Dynon and AFS are selling. Of course, you can get them from Trig too. With most of the non-Garmin EFIS, it would allow remote control and mounting and complying with the ADSB mandate. They tend to run about $2k.

rleffler 09-15-2017 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1204040)
As I read his post his current transponder has failed.
If he doesn't mind used, 327's are going for $400., a great deal.
If only new equipment, some mode S-ES transponders are now in the $2K price range, e.g., Trig TT22.
Like you, I wouldn't touch navworx with a ten foot pole. Besides, there are now less expensive options.

I would agree if purchasing new. For those of us that already have sunk cost in a Navworx unit, the decision point is a little different for each of us.

In my case it's stick with the AMOC and use my 327 and the 650 as a position source, but risk future software updates may not support the original platform (costs $0.00), upgrade to the new boards and GPS ($600), or install a new transponder (Trig) and an ADSB receiver (Dynon/AFS) ($3,000).

What option I prefer and what option I can afford are different. Just like most things in life. :D

Mich48041 09-15-2017 07:08 AM

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The one and only real drawback with the Appareo is lack of an output which can feed data to other avionics.
The Appareo Stratus ESG has GPS data out. Or do you mean it does not have traffic and weather? I like the fact that the Appareo is just one box, not dependent on other brand equipment. If two different brands are connected together and there is problem, each manufacturer will blame the other, leaving you caught in the middle. I would rather just have one box to fail, not two.


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