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n468ac 04-12-2017 07:51 AM

Interesting ....
 
Levil Aviation introduced two innovative avionics products, one called the BOM and a second, an ADS-B Out system built entirely into the antenna


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWOdynW0k2U

dave4754 04-12-2017 08:21 AM

Incredible
 
I thought that tech and price would catch up to need but what a fantastic little device and price point to solve the ADSB need.

The Primary flight tablet is amazing as it is self powered and integrates with an tablet device.

i wish i knew this was available prior to my installing a panel mounted EFIS.

ERushing 04-12-2017 08:33 AM

This BOM seems like a pretty interesting backup instrument. An iPad Pro in the center stack of an RV10 + BOM might have just made things a bit more economical. Something to think about!

I wish someone made an engine monitor that integrated seamlessly with Foreflight :)

Paul 5r4 04-12-2017 08:33 AM

WOW
 
I really like this stuff! Wish I had known of it when at SnF. I would've liked a little eyeballs/hands on time. Seems like a very elegant solution to a complex problem and the prices are very reasonable as well. Things like this will make a panel rework completely unnecessary! :-)

Veetail88 04-12-2017 08:43 AM

A couple of new products out there now that absolutely validate my decision to procrastinate on equipping for 2020!

j-red 04-12-2017 11:09 AM

From Levil website:
Wireless Sniffer
  • Optional 1090MHz sniffer allows for wireless synchronization of Squawk
    code from Existing transponders.
  • Wired communication via RS-232 is also possible directly from a Transponder or from the provided LCD interface

Some thoughts:
1. if it's "optional," how much extra is it going to cost?
2. Though she mentioned it in the video, nothing is said on the website about the capability of sniffing out a 978 squawk code. Combine that with the alternative of syncing with a transponder via RS-232, and it looks like if you've already got a nice mode S, then $1500 for this will finish you off for 2020 compliance and looks to be a pretty painless install.

It doesn't look like a solution for someone with a legacy mode-c transponder. Who knows, though, that might change as the final production units are produced.


Honestly, the $1000-$1500 price point of all the new sun-n-fun ads-b product releases are what sealed the deal for me to go ahead and replace my old Collins unit with a Stratus ESG. They can be had for a LOT less than the retail price if you order direct from a distributor and with the rebate, I'm going to be all-in 2020 compliant with a brand new mode s transponder for under 2k.

BobTurner 04-12-2017 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-red (Post 1164959)
From Levil website:
Wireless Sniffer
  • Optional 1090MHz sniffer allows for wireless synchronization of Squawk
    code from Existing transponders.
  • Wired communication via RS-232 is also possible directly from a Transponder or from the provided LCD interface

Some thoughts:
1.
2. Though she mentioned it in the video, nothing is said on the website about the capability of sniffing out a 978 squawk code.


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What is a 978 squawk code? UATs just repeat the transponder code in their data stream.

I don't think this thing meets the rules, since it uses an independent altitude source. It's supposed to use the same one as the transponder.

j-red 04-12-2017 11:46 AM

Maybe my understanding of things has been off all along. I was under the impression that mode C transponders broadcast on the 978 frequency, and mode S on 1090mhz. That understanding was largely derrived from seeing ads-b offerings which were divided into the 1090 ES and 978 UAT camps. Applying that thinking to the statement found on the Levil website led me to believe that this thing could catch your squawk code if broadcast on 1090, but not on 978. If I'm an idiot and know nothing about transponders, then please excuse the ignorance!

MercFE 04-12-2017 12:14 PM

Transponders have always been on 1090... That's where the ES make these newer transponders different. And why 978 is only usable within the US as an ADS-B solution. It would be compatible with worldwide usage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-red (Post 1164972)
Maybe my understanding of things has been off all along. I was under the impression that mode C transponders broadcast on the 978 frequency, and mode S on 1090mhz. That understanding was largely derrived from seeing ads-b offerings which were divided into the 1090 ES and 978 UAT camps. Applying that thinking to the statement found on the Levil website led me to believe that this thing could catch your squawk code if broadcast on 1090, but not on 978. If I'm an idiot and know nothing about transponders, then please excuse the ignorance!


az_gila 04-12-2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1164967)
What is a 978 squawk code? UATs just repeat the transponder code in their data stream.

I don't think this thing meets the rules, since it uses an independent altitude source. It's supposed to use the same one as the transponder.

If it's "sniffing" a Mode C 1090 data output the altitude code is embedded in it.

The UAT just has to re-broadcast the same altitude.


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