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roadrunner20 03-21-2017 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Birchler (Post 1159645)
NavWorx ADS-B units with P/N 200-0112 and 200-0113 are TSO-C154c compliant and are not the subject of this proposed AD.

Really? Can you supply us a url to that source?


Update: Correct those are not.
But, Model ADS600-B part number (P/N) 200-0012 and 200-0013 and Model ADS600-EXP P/N 200-8013 are the subject of the potential AD.

Robertc 03-21-2017 05:51 PM

Try this.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...iversal-access

David-aviator 03-21-2017 09:13 PM

NAVWORX is back and running as of this evening but nothing new news-wise.

Nothing available to purchase but install down loads are available.

I have one just in case he ships one of these days. :)

rleffler 03-22-2017 10:37 AM

I sent this simple email request off yesterday:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:10 PM
To: Cobble, Kyle (FAA); Heusser, Michael A (FAA)
Subject: NavWorx AD Status

What?s the status of the potential AD for NavWorx? Docket FAA-2016-9226, Directorate Identifier 2016-SW-065-AD

When can we expect something to be published?


I received this response a few minutes ago:

Mr. Leffler,
We try to finish the AD?s within 90 days. This AD had many comments and we have had to coordinate with several offices. I can?t give an exact date, but we are working to issue the final rule as soon as possible.


Kyle Cobble
Fort Worth ACO
817-222-5172


Based upon this response, it's doubtful we'll see anything until after OSH.

roadrunner20 03-23-2017 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rleffler (Post 1159867)
I sent this simple email request off yesterday:

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:10 PM
To: Cobble, Kyle (FAA); Heusser, Michael A (FAA)
Subject: NavWorx AD Status

What’s the status of the potential AD for NavWorx? Docket FAA-2016-9226, Directorate Identifier 2016-SW-065-AD

When can we expect something to be published?


I received this response a few minutes ago:

Mr. Leffler,
We try to finish the AD’s within 90 days. This AD had many comments and we have had to coordinate with several offices. I can’t give an exact date, but we are working to issue the final rule as soon as possible.


Kyle Cobble
Fort Worth ACO
817-222-5172


Based upon this response, it's doubtful we'll see anything until after OSH.

Since the SIL is so critical to public safety, :rolleyes:, I would think they would expedite & prioritize their decision.

It's already been 5 months since the announcement & 3 months since the end of their comment period.

I was hoping they'd have a resolution by SNF.
We should all become active in their ADS-B discussions at SNF.

JohnAJohnson 03-23-2017 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadrunner20 (Post 1160070)
Since the SIL is so critical to public safety, :rolleyes:, I would think they would expedite & prioritize their decision.

It's already been 5 months since the announcement & 3 months since the end of their comment period.

I was hoping they'd have a resolution by SNF.
We should all become active in their ADS-B discussions at SNF.

I continue to be disappointed when AOPA and other representatives don't press the FAA to answer questions such as why drones are allowed/encouraged to use cheap OUT devices in the interest of safety, and experimentals that are allowed to use different categories of OUT devices, vs. certificated, i.e., the Navworx fiasco. It's just a big mess that cannot be defended. I won't be at SNF but surely hope the FAA is bombarded with common sense questions from pilots and other groups on this issue.

GalinHdz 03-23-2017 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnAJohnson (Post 1160075)
I won't be at SNF but surely hope the FAA is bombarded with common sense questions from pilots and other groups on this issue.

The Federal Government listening to common sense? Man you're a really good comedian.


JohnAJohnson 03-23-2017 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GalinHdz (Post 1160089)
The Federal Government listening to common sense? Man you're a really good comedian.


You raise a good point Galin :D

Jordan1976 03-23-2017 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnAJohnson (Post 1160075)
why drones are allowed/encouraged to use cheap OUT devices in the interest of safety, and experimentals that are allowed to use different categories of OUT devices, vs. certificated, i.e., the Navworx fiasco. It's just a big mess that cannot be defended.

A drone cannot use a non-compliant ADS-B OUT device to fly in 2020 airspace. The FAA encourages drones to equip with advisory only GPS position sources when flying in places where ADS-B is not required at all. They do the same for all aircraft in non-2020 airspace, and in fact there is a TSO for these advisory beacons (TSO-C199) which is significantly cheaper to comply with than the full compliant systems.

You can absolutely put non-compliant ADS-B on your EAB, you just can't fly into 2020 airspace with it, and you can't transmit misleading signals (inappropriate SIL/SDA for instance). In fact, thousands of EAB's are flying with "cheap" ADS-B devices with no issues from the FAA because they aren't claiming to be compliant in their transmissions.

The only issue would be if somehow the FAA said that a drone could fly in 2020 airspace with any GPS onboard, but only manned aircraft needed compliant GPS's. They aren't doing that though, and are holding all aircraft to the exact same standard, so I don't see an issue.

DennisRhodes 03-23-2017 04:16 PM

I think a lot of this compliant / non compliant, TSO d position source/ meets C199 performance standards , SIL 3 / or 1, SDA 2 /or 0, Experimental equipment inside 2020 compliant area / Certified aircraft equipment inside 2020 compliant area ; ALL this may get redefined after the NavWorx AD becomes final whenever that may be. After all, this is what all of this has been about. Maybe if the FAA can decide what it is they want, the mfgs can produce that and make it available. Not sure we're there yet. All I know is I'm not buying again until they decide and you can write that on the wall!


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