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woxofswa 08-29-2016 11:40 AM

The reference for the Fed report lies within the maintenance side. I believe it is the obligation of the person holding the repairman certificate that will be signing the logbook to report a component that fails in flight.
I'll see if I can get more specific details and references.

My insurance adjuster requested a report to the FSDO. When I called them, they hadn't heard of it and said it would be a regional issue. Next day I got a call from the regional office. He said he was aware of the issue and of multiple failures. He requested pix that I sent. He was the one who told me not to send it to MT. He said that they would have preferred that it had never been removed from the aircraft in the first place. He mentioned the report that would be required and I told him that I didn't have complete information yet. He was fine with that.
He said he or someone else would get right back to me and I haven't haven't heard a another word in over a week.

Auburntsts 08-29-2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by woxofswa (Post 1107447)
The reference for the Fed report lies within the maintenance side. I believe it is the obligation of the person holding the repairman certificate that will be signing the logbook to report a component that fails in flight.
I'll see if I can get more specific details and references.

My insurance adjuster requested a report to the FSDO. When I called them, they hadn't heard of it and said it would be a regional issue. Next day I got a call from the regional office. He said he was aware of the issue and of multiple failures. He requested pix that I sent. He was the one who told me not to send it to MT. He said that they would have preferred that it had never been removed from the aircraft in the first place. He mentioned the report that would be required and I told him that I didn't have complete information yet. He was fine with that.
He said he or someone else would get right back to me and I haven't haven't heard a another word in over a week.

Please do if you can. I can find no reference that would mandate a pilot or A&P/repairman to provide such a report where there is no accident or damage outside of the aircraft associated with an incident such as ours which occurred operating under part 91. Shoot, I didn't even declare an emergency or request priority handling.

FWIW, I have had no request by my insurance adjuster, the FAA, MT or anyone else for any kind of report. That doesn't mean that someone won't ask for one in the future, just no one has asked for one to this point. Now it could be that the claim paperwork I completed filled that purpose and whatever was germane to the FAA was extracted and forwarded on by the adjuster thereby negating any further action by me-- I dunno.

All this tells me that once again that in our community, the rules it would seem to vary from office to office. In this case we have the same insurance underwriter but different adjusters and of course the same FAA but different FSDOs and yet you had to submit a report and I didn't. :rolleyes:

BobTurner 08-29-2016 01:16 PM

I think what you guys are looking for is not the FARs, but the CFRs dealing with the NTSB (section 830 or something??). But I don't see prop governors on the list. Of course you may always make a voluntary report.

Auburntsts 08-29-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1107481)
I think what you guys are looking for is not the FARs, but the CFRs dealing with the NTSB (section 830 or something??). But I don't see prop governors on the list. Of course you may always make a voluntary report.

I just read through CFR part 830 Subparts A thru D and my conclusion is no NTSB report is required IAW with Subpart D, para 830.15 because the damage is not considered "substantial" by the definition in Subpart A, para 830.2 nor does the incident, as handled in the air and once on the ground, fall under one of the immediate notification criteria as listed in Subpart B, para 830.5.

EAGLE BOB 08-29-2016 01:55 PM

New MT Service Bulletin
 
Just recently MT issued a new Service Bulletin No. 31 that has this part number governor listed.

jabarr 08-29-2016 02:06 PM

Where can one see this elusive SB 31?? It's not listed on there SB list on their website.

woxofswa 08-29-2016 03:48 PM

OK, I've done more research. I hope to make the mud a little clearer. Here is the report in question:

http://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Submissi...lAviation.aspx

The first mention of this to me was an A&P IA who was one of the guardian angels who came up to rescue me when I was AOG on the rez. He said that it was a report that we needed to make when we got back home.

The second mention was the insurance adjuster. She asked if I had already done it and when I said I hadn't, she "strongly suggested" that I do it right away. Since she had yet to tell me if my claim would be accepted I was "strongly motivated" to keep her happy so I told her I would contact the FSDO that afternoon. (I can see how getting FAA involved helps AIG subrogate against MT).

The third reference was when the regional Fed called me. He also asked if I had done it and I told him I was still collecting information.

Now where the gray seeps in. This report mirrors a similar report that licensed repair stations are required to submit on failed components. There is debatable school of thought that as the repairman certificate holder of this aircraft, we become the station required to report. Some say yes, some say no. As merely owners/pilots we are allowed and encouraged to report, but perhaps not required.

When I spoke to the shop that has my propeller (Hartzell authorized repair and distribution center) they told me that they had already made their report on the issue and that a report by me would just go in the same file as their report.

Sorry if I confused anyone with previous posts. I'm not sure if the mud is clearer or not.

My primary concern is just making sure that this thing is resolved before anyone gets hurt or worse.

Aggie78 08-29-2016 05:19 PM

Another data point in all this...
 
So, I've been curious to see if the MT governor in my RV-7 would be affected by all of this and when the SB didn't hit the wire today (again), I took matters into my own hands and called MT-USA and was connected to Peter.

Up to this point, my governor has operated with no issues. (Fingers crossed that continues.)

I gave him my model and serial number (P-860-4 and 11G146-G) and I was relieved to find I will be unaffected by the bulletin, even with a production date in 2011-around when some of the bad ones came off the line.

I did ask him (had I been affected) would sending the unit in for the SB service have also satisfied the 72 month overhaul requirement and was told it would not have...that's a separate service not included in the fix.

Next question was..(for those that are close to the O/H time limit and DO need the SB performed)...what is the "upcharge" to do the O/H if done while it's already apart and getting fixed for the SB and the response was "we haven't decided on pricing yet, but since it's already apart it wouldn't be much...a couple of hundred bucks maybe?"

Like I said above...a data point for others with these things installed.

Thanks to the folks posting on this thread who have had governor failures for all the info shared-it is very much appreciated!

Rob

rv4bill 08-30-2016 06:18 AM

Not on the naughty list!
 
Just got off the phone with Peter at MT after giving him my serial number. There were a few earlier than my serial number and a bunch after. He looked up my individual number and said mine was OK!

He is forwarding to me an email document this am with the SB 31 as it is not showing on MT's German site yet.

If someone gives me their email, and is proficient at posting a doc, I will forward the email so it can be posted here on the site for all interested to see.

Lenny Iszak 08-30-2016 08:02 AM

MT governor SB 31
 
Just received the SB doc from Bill. Here it is:

http://www.311lz.com/docs/SB_31.pdf

Lenny


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