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RV7A Flyer 02-14-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluelabel (Post 1083038)
I used the Safe Air kit and the ports as provided.. I believe that mine would be considered flush. Is that right? Jesse, I just started flying, so how do you know if you are getting airspeed errors? I'm seeing IAS and TAS in the range I would expect for the plane in the current configuration I'm flying.

If you used these

http://www.cleavelandtool.com/Push-O.../#.WoSvpaJu6kI

then I believe they are *not* considered "flush". They do protrude above the skin, as noted in the description.

That's what I have, and airspeed seems to be right on the money.

(Note that I don't know for sure, but perhaps an earlier version of these *was* actually flush with the skin when installed?)

rvbuilder2002 02-14-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudfly (Post 1239501)

Must be.
I hadn't heard anything about it.
I imagine it is a vendor produced part being offered as an (additional) $30 option for those that don't want to use the blind rivet supplied in the $19 static system kit.

rvbuilder2002 02-14-2018 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RV7A Flyer (Post 1239546)
If you used these

http://www.cleavelandtool.com/Push-O.../#.WoSvpaJu6kI

then I believe they are *not* considered "flush". They do protrude above the skin, as noted in the description.

That's what I have, and airspeed seems to be right on the money.

(Note that I don't know for sure, but perhaps an earlier version of these *was* actually flush with the skin when installed?)

It all depends on the vintage of the parts that someone has....

I think Cleveland, Safeair, and perhaps others originally offered a rivet on static port that had a flush profile. After enough users had errors because of incorrect static pressure, they redesigned the part.

If someone has ports that look flat/flush to the outer skin, and do not protrude to mimic the recommended blind rivet, the should count on there being some error in their ASI and altimeter.

Richard Connell 02-14-2018 03:26 PM

The original Safe-Air “flush” ports were most definitely wildly inaccurate. I saw cruise TAS errors nearing 10KTAS and commensurately large altitude errors.



The Cleveland ones that mimic the vans rivet I can report are super accurate.



This has been extensively covered before so worth a search.

The new vans screw version looks like a good compromise between the convenient but probably overkill push fitting Cleveland one and the rivet method which some people struggle with for various reasons.

Cheers

pauldan181 02-14-2018 03:35 PM

I bought the static ports from Cleaveland probably around 2002 and they were absolutely flush. I had errors (low and slow) that got worse with increasing airspeed.

Champ 02-14-2018 05:26 PM

Checked a lot of posts and it seemed that the Vans rivet static port worked well and people had a lot of trouble with other systems so I decided to stay with it and just change the internal tube connection. So - son machined a couple flanges with threads for Parker fittings, scuffed mating surfaces and applied a little proseal (just because) and pulled the flanges tight to the fuselage with the Vans rivets.

Picture during construction:


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