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mikeyj350 04-27-2016 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by togaflyer (Post 1074029)
The mounting bracket seems somewhat overpriced for what it is.

That's why we decided to fab our own mount... it isn't done so I haven't posted much info on our blog about it yet (I haven't posted much of *anything* lately :(), but basically you start with Van's ADAHRS mounting tray (the one that installs next to the elevator bellcrank), add some reinforcement, and fabricate a boomerang-style bellcrank with similar hinge geometry to the cable attachment points on the rudder itself, then connect the servo to the boomerang with a pushrod, and the boomerang to the existing rudder cables with another set of cables.

For peace of mind on an OE design though, I can't argue against buying the Garmin piece either. Just depends on what you're comfortable with tackling!


EDIT: You can barely see what I'm talking about to the far right of this image:

flion 04-27-2016 07:55 AM

I considered a YD but most of the comments about the -10 were how little it needed it in cruise. A few comments like Mike's about slow speed, but then I thought "If I'm flying an approach (or the Oshkosh arrival), I'm definitely going to be hand-flying it, so the YD doesn't matter." Long story short, no YD is going in my -10.

mikeyj350 04-27-2016 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by flion (Post 1074044)
I'm definitely going to be hand-flying it, so the YD doesn't matter.

Just a small clarification, I believe you can still hand-fly with the Y/D engaged, they are two separate functions within the autopilot. I'm actually more of a stick-and-rudder, hand-flying kind of guy (for now, anyway haha) myself, and feel like one of the biggest learning curves I'll face when transitioning to our -10 will be managing all these fancy avionics. I prefer to hand-fly over using an A/P in most every situation I've been in so far... so I guess my plan is to use the Y/D much more than the rest of the A/P, at least until I'm more accustomed to it all.

bhoppe2 04-29-2016 10:42 AM

I have the Garmin Yaw Damper. I agree with the previous comments about the cost of the installation kit seeming to be over-priced especially in comparison to the other two installation kits. Of course, there are other costs that Garmin has to recoop beyond the obvious ones in making the brackets and a couple of cables. $1500 was tough to accept, but I am now glad I did it. It would be a PITA to add it later. Probably not that difficult, but you may want to take Yoga class first. Anyway, after about 30 hours of flying with it, I am convinced it was the right decision. I expect rear seat passengers will appreciate it, expecially in rough air.

AviatorJ 04-30-2016 05:44 PM

My limited expierence in a plane with a Yaw dampener during take off was at 400' flaps up YD on... Landing was the reverse, on approach YD off and first increment of flaps. So I guess my question is what's the process on a smaller plane?

mikeyj350 05-02-2016 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AviatorJ (Post 1075043)
My limited expierence in a plane with a Yaw dampener during take off was at 400' flaps up YD on... Landing was the reverse, on approach YD off and first increment of flaps. So I guess my question is what's the process on a smaller plane?

I guess my thought would be to use it basically anytime you want automatic coordinated flight. I'd turn it off for unusual maneuvers or any other time you want "full" control of the airplane, and of course for takeoff and landing. But for your typical xc flight, I'd say that's about right.

Gaylon 05-03-2016 07:58 AM

Not needed but I DO HAVE IT
 
Wife loves it, enough said.
I enjoy it as it makes the ride very nice in rough weather and again the wife likes that. Yes it was $$ for the mount but as mentioned before sometimes you have to pay for what you want. Installation on a flying airplane is a PITA and I am a small guy who can climb into the back area. Not to mention I have an AC unit back there also!!!

For operational purposes what was described in a prior post is spot on.

My limited experience in a plane with a Yaw dampener during take off was at 400' flaps up YD on... Landing was the reverse, on approach YD off and first increment of flaps. So I guess my question is what's the process on a smaller plane?

You can hand fly all day long with the YAW ON separate from the other AP functions. However you BETTER disconnect the YAW damper if you have a trim servo on the rudder as it will crank it all the way one direction and make taxing seem like there is something wrong with the "free" rotating nose wheel and "free" moving rudder pedals. Turn it off and all goes back to normal.... its now in the check list!

flion 05-03-2016 09:04 AM

You can hand fly with the autopilot on, too. But who does that? When I'm hand flying, I don't need any help, thank you very much. :rolleyes:

AviatorJ 07-16-2016 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AviatorJ (Post 1073935)
i think it would be pretty cool, but not $1,500 cool.

I have to backtrack on my previous statement. Last month I flew my friends A36 and played with the Yaw Damper, it was pretty neat. That coupled with my 10 year old throwing up during a turbulent landing back home caused me to change my opinion on it.

I now plan to buy Garmins seemingly overpriced bracket and an extra servo...

Strasnuts 07-20-2016 08:02 AM

If I was building a new 10
 
I would do it if I was in the building process again.


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