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bret 03-28-2016 09:08 AM

Did you primer your ADSB box?
 
Just kidding, but I did find a way out of the requirement, it is kinda like going back to a rotary phone, here is a flow chart, http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/equip/
Question one, do you have an electrical system? well, I was wondering if that question refers to having an alternator to run an EFII system, and no electronic EFIS? and if you broke it down further to electrons, a magneto is using electricity to fire the plugs? so where can we draw the line? can I go no electronic system and use my IPad to navigate and be legal? just asking questions, but it does stir my pot when I read that the Air force will not have the funding for this by 2020 but we will still need to buy this equipment.....Happy Monday! ;-)

epaslick 03-29-2016 06:54 AM

If you want more reason to be upset, all the 121 operators (i.e. major airlines) as a group applied for an extension last summer for the same reason. I forget if if they want to push it back to 2025 or 2030. :(

airguy 03-29-2016 07:55 AM

They can push it back as far as they like, as long as the FAA doesn't cut off my ADSB-IN feed. I guess I'm one of the early adopters but I really like it.

RV6_flyer 03-29-2016 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epaslick (Post 1066279)
If you want more reason to be upset, all the 121 operators (i.e. major airlines) as a group applied for an extension last summer for the same reason. I forget if if they want to push it back to 2025 or 2030. :(


The story about possible phase in was published back in May 2015. It would only be for earlier adopters that did not have the approved GPS installed IF approved. The rest of us that have done nothing yet are still expected to be compliant in 2020 if we want to use the airspace that it is required in.

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news...-224069-1.html

N941WR 03-29-2016 09:26 AM

I'm still day dreaming about my next project. (High wing bush plane of some type.)

It will have a battery, starter, radio, intercom, and maybe an EFIS.

With no engine driven alternator or generator, I won't have to install a transponder or ADS-B.

To keep the battery charged, I'm thinking of putting in solar panels above the pilot's head, between the wings.

Problem solved.

The only place I can't fly, with a 3rd class medical, is in Class Bravo.

Mel 03-29-2016 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bret (Post 1065949)
Just kidding, but I did find a way out of the requirement, it is kinda like going back to a rotary phone, here is a flow chart, http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/equip/
Question one, do you have an electrical system? well, I was wondering if that question refers to having an alternator to run an EFII system, and no electronic EFIS? and if you broke it down further to electrons, a magneto is using electricity to fire the plugs? so where can we draw the line? can I go no electronic system and use my IPad to navigate and be legal? just asking questions, but it does stir my pot when I read that the Air force will not have the funding for this by 2020 but we will still need to buy this equipment.....Happy Monday! ;-)

The definition of an "electrical system" is a battery and engine driven generator. And before someone asks, an alternator IS a generator.

airguy 03-29-2016 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N941WR (Post 1066346)
I'm still day dreaming about my next project. (High wing bush plane of some type.)

It will have a battery, starter, radio, intercom, and maybe an EFIS.

With no engine driven alternator or generator, I won't have to install a transponder or ADS-B.

To keep the battery charged, I'm thinking of putting in solar panels above the pilot's head, between the wings.

Problem solved.

The only place I can't fly, with a 3rd class medical, is in Class Bravo.

Luddite. :D

bret 03-29-2016 10:01 AM

Thanks for the clarification Mel, well, I am definitely going to have a battery, more like three or four......and not going to be hand propping this thing!

rmartingt 03-29-2016 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mel (Post 1066355)
The definition of an "electrical system" is a battery and engine driven generator. And before someone asks, an alternator IS a generator.

So what you're saying is, if I make an electric-powered airplane (which would have no "engine driven generator"), it won't need ADS-B Out?

Cool! :D;)

Mel 03-29-2016 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bret (Post 1066358)
Thanks for the clarification Mel, well, I am definitely going to have a battery, more like three or four......and not going to be hand propping this thing!

You can have a battery AND a starter, if you don't have an engine driven generator. You have two choices, a wind driven generator or a constant-loss system.


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