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PerfTech 08-02-2016 10:00 AM

.... Quality and manufacturing issues aside, as that can vary widely from one chinaman to another. I think it is extremely important to for us to keep in mind the wonderful resource at our disposal with ACS. Allowing them to make a decent profit on the millions of dollars in products they stock for our convenience is A-OK with me. I look at it this way, yes I can shop around and save a few bucks on some easier to obtain, common items. The problem with this is simple and the end result is a certainty. They can't stay in business just selling us the weird or impossible to find elsewhere items, and we shouldn't expect them to. I would hope we never see ACS, forced to go the way of the local hardware store or many other businesses. Cheep, big corporate distributors will kill them if we don't support them. I can pretty much guarantee there will never be another "Aircraft Spruce"! Next time you find and buy some oddball thing that saves your day from ACS, think about how nice it is having them and their catalog/bible at your disposal! Thanks, Allan...:D

rv6ejguy 08-02-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PerfTech (Post 1099740)
.... Quality and manufacturing issues aside, as that can vary widely from one chinaman to another. I think it is extremely important to for us to keep in mind the wonderful resource at our disposal with ACS. Allowing them to make a decent profit on the millions of dollars in products they stock for our convenience is A-OK with me. I look at it this way, yes I can shop around and save a few bucks on some easier to obtain, common items. The problem with this is simple and the end result is a certainty. They can't stay in business just selling us the weird or impossible to find elsewhere items, and we shouldn't expect them to. I would hope we never see ACS, forced to go the way of the local hardware store or many other businesses. Cheep, big corporate distributors will kill them if we don't support them. I can pretty much guarantee there will never be another "Aircraft Spruce"! Next time you find and buy some oddball thing that saves your day from ACS, think about how nice it is having them and their catalog/bible at your disposal! Thanks, Allan...:D

Agree generally but ACS was selling some cheap Chinese fittings a few years back and that didn't turn out so well. I don't think they are now though, quickly learning that lesson.

8 ball 08-02-2016 10:25 AM

Fittings Summit racing vs ACS
 
EARLES SUPPLY were manufacturing AN fittings in the United States before the Chinese market ever came into being. Their products are in the same price range as Summit racing they are handled by Jeg's supply they are built in the United States and are very good quality they might even manufacture for Summit Racing I don't know about that . Parts built to Army Navy specifications establishes the quality. I have use them personally both automotive and Aircraft applications for 30+ years. Just sayin'.

6 Gun 08-02-2016 10:35 AM

Shipping
 
And did anyone say free SHIPPING from Summit Racing on orders over $100.

Bob

BillL 08-02-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robertc (Post 1099732)
If you measure the x-section diameter you will find the AQP is smaller than AE701 by about 15% of the x-section area. This may or may not be an issue for you. Bob

Yes, Bob, good point, the specs do show the AQP -8 ID is a tad smaller, but the accumulator will not discharge its volume at the same rate as the oil flow in the primary circuit. It will augment the loss of flow (via pressure) to the bearings. Ron Schreck said he got ~7 seconds, so that indicates (to me) the flow drops, but does not disappear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerfTech (Post 1099740)
.... Quality and manufacturing issues aside, as that can vary widely from one chinaman to another. I think it is extremely important to for us to keep in mind the wonderful resource at our disposal with ACS. Allowing them to make a decent profit on the millions of dollars in products they stock for our convenience is A-OK with me. I look at it this way, yes I can shop around and save a few bucks on some easier to obtain, common items. The problem with this is simple and the end result is a certainty. They can't stay in business just selling us the weird or impossible to find elsewhere items, and we shouldn't expect them to. I would hope we never see ACS, forced to go the way of the local hardware store or many other businesses. Cheep, big corporate distributors will kill them if we don't support them. I can pretty much guarantee there will never be another "Aircraft Spruce"! Next time you find and buy some oddball thing that saves your day from ACS, think about how nice it is having them and their catalog/bible at your disposal! Thanks, Allan...:D

Own stock? What does ACS have to do with this comparison? Do you source all your hoses and fittings for your shop full of race cars from ACS? Do I need 1250 psi rather than 1000 psi for a 300 PSI application? All the aeroquip parts are USA made (Earls & Russells, too like Ross said) . What exactly is your point?

rv6ejguy 08-02-2016 12:31 PM

As I said earlier in the thread, Earls, Russell and Aeroquip (Parker) still make their AN fittings in the US to my knowledge. The source should not matter IF they are genuine. Watch out for counterfeit ones though...

lr172 08-02-2016 02:52 PM

I used summit fittings and hose in my build and when I put in the FI this spring I chose to upgrade to Earls fittings, on Ross' recommendation, for the peace of mind. I also upgraded to Aeroquip hose.

When I pulled all of the old hose (rubber core), I was surprised how stiff the Summit hose had become in 6 months / 100 hours of use. While I think the fittings are probably good enough (I use them in my hot rods), I was not impressed with the rubber quality on the hose.

Larry

Gisnar 08-02-2016 03:06 PM

I often can get "new surplus" aviation fitting from some of the on line suppliers, B&B is one. Usually half the price of ACS. Not the price of Summit but a lot cheaper and Aircraft quality. I do not buy anything that has shelf life such as hoses, seals or rubber but metal fitting and hardware I do not have a problem with.

RV7Guy 08-02-2016 04:33 PM

Fittings only
 
I use a local hose shop for most all my fittings. Mainly for the convenience.

I have my hoses made at either Varga Aviation (close by) or Precision Hose Technology. These are brown fire sleeved type. I know many make their own hoses and have had success, however I don't recommend it. When you add it all up, not factoring the time, the savings is just not worth the risk.

bret 08-02-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 6 Gun (Post 1099762)
And did anyone say free SHIPPING from Summit Racing on orders over $100.

Bob

I got free shipping from ACS with my ELT.....but that was a little more that 100.00


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