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BobTurner 01-16-2018 04:15 PM

Before I invest in voice recognition in the cockpit, I?ll need to be convinced that it works reliably. I have a 2006 Honda:
Me: ?Set temperature to 69.?
Car:?AM radio 690? (promptly changes the radio)-:)

RVbySDI 01-16-2018 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FORANE (Post 1232721)
This is an interesting observation; I had primarily thought of it as being related to the unit receiving the data, generating an audio alert and sending it to the audio panel. Indeed I just looked up the gdl88 and it appears to do just that.

The way you describe foreflights audio alert is just what I am looking for. A couple issues will likely preclude me for going that route. While I completely understand a companies desire to limit their software to 1 platform, I prefer the other platform and have chosen to not reward the company that chooses to limit their market. The second issue is with Apple for 2 reasons. First Apple is proprietary and I try to not reward companies who choose that business model. The second reason is the one time I did buy an ipad to run a particular aviation glide to airport software I got burned. The aviation app which cost about $100 released an update shortly after I purchased it that disabled the software if I didn't pay a monthly subscription (of about $20/month I think). This seemed unethical and tantamount to ransomware. The software company refused refund yet continued to peddle their software in the apple store. Apple in my view was complicit as Apple denied my request for refund and allowed the company to continue sales.




I have long thought this too.



Don't think I can bring myself to do it John. See above rant, or I mean explanation, regarding my history with an i-thing.

Ok, well everyone has their rationals for their specific philosophies they live by. To each his own. So in your case then at this point your options are:
  1. Design your own software to do what you want it to do
  2. Wait for one of the other companies you philosophically agree with to come out with something you want
  3. Change your way of thinking and pay the going rate to the "big guy" companies who have what you want now
  4. do nothing and do without what you want

Good luck with whatever choice you decide to go with.

uk_figs 01-17-2018 06:05 AM

Interesting
 
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Originally Posted by RVbySDI (Post 1232613)
On the other hand, Foreflight, on an Ipad using the same GDL-39 feed at the same time, is alerting "Traffic 2 O'Clock - 2 miles - 400ft below".
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Steve
Did not know this, I use the GDL 39 and the 796 and get the "Traffic" audio but it is filtered for nearby traffic. I have an external audio input built into my intercom which I just use for music through a bluetooth dongle and I have foreflight on the phone so I could have it running in the cockpit just for traffic audio. If music is playing does the foreflight audio just overlay or interject? How does foreflight prioritize the audio when there is a bunch of traffic (think Ponca on Sat morning:eek:)?
Figs

Snowflake 01-17-2018 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by humptybump (Post 1232606)
I wasn?t aware Stratux was investigation the feature of audio based traffic alerts with position information.

Update on that: I asked on the Slack channel to see if anyone knew about work in this area. Apparently it was suggested, but quickly put on the lowest-priority rung as most of the EFB packages already have audio alerts. ForeFlight, FltPlanGo, etc. all have audio alerts that can be piped into your audio panel.

The EFB's have to do all the math to figure out conflicts anyway, just to show you the red/yellow/green circles around your traffic... and they already have the position and altitude worked out. Might as well let them do the work.

Snowflake 01-17-2018 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTurner (Post 1232722)
Before I invest in voice recognition in the cockpit, I?ll need to be convinced that it works reliably. I have a 2006 Honda:
Me: ?Set temperature to 69.?
Car:?AM radio 690? (promptly changes the radio)-:)

Maybe it would work in metric... :P

RVbySDI 01-17-2018 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by uk_figs (Post 1232820)
Steve
Did not know this, I use the GDL 39 and the 796 and get the "Traffic" audio but it is filtered for nearby traffic. I have an external audio input built into my intercom which I just use for music through a bluetooth dongle and I have foreflight on the phone so I could have it running in the cockpit just for traffic audio. If music is playing does the foreflight audio just overlay or interject? How does foreflight prioritize the audio when there is a bunch of traffic (think Ponca on Sat morning:eek:)?
Figs

I have flown with music playing in the background and Foreflight on the screen. When Foreflight has an audio alert it does come in over the top of the music. That most likely is an aspect of the Garmin 245 audio panel though. Your mileage may vary depending on the intercom/audio panel you have.

g3xpert 01-17-2018 07:28 PM

Just an FYI that the newer Garmin GTX 45R/345R/345 1090ES ADS-B Out transponders all have the more verbose (e.g. Traffic, 2 o'clock, high) voice annunciation common with the GTS 8XX active traffic system.

I have a GTX 345R in my aircraft, but didn't even bother wiring this audio into the audio panel since the simple traffic aural annunciation from the G3X Touch system more than meets my needs.

With the great overlay of Target Trend traffic on the map and traffic page, I almost always see and avoid traffic with minimum scanning and don't often trigger the aural alert, so I don't see much advantage in having the more verbose aural traffic alert as an aid to visually locating traffic.

Thanks,
Steve

RVbySDI 01-17-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by g3xpert (Post 1233029)
Just an FYI that the newer Garmin GTX 45R/345R/345 1090ES ADS-B Out transponders all have the more verbose (e.g. Traffic, 2 o'clock, high) voice annunciation common with the GTX 8XX active traffic system.

I have a GTX 345R in my aircraft, but didn't even bother wiring this audio into the audio panel since the simple traffic aural annunciation from the G3X Touch system more than meets my needs.

With the great overlay of Target Trend traffic on the map and traffic page, I almost always see and avoid traffic with minimum scanning and don't often trigger the aural alert, so I don't see much advantage in having the more verbose aural traffic alert as an aid to visually locating traffic.

Thanks,
Steve

Steve,
I appreciate your position but having experience with it for a few months now I really appreciate the "verbose" alert. It really does enhance your traffic awareness. It gives a better starting point for looking for traffic. Even my wife was able to hear the specific warning and immediately look where the audio warning was telling us the traffic was. It really does work well.

FORANE 01-18-2018 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by g3xpert (Post 1233029)
Just an FYI that the newer Garmin GTX 45R/345R/345 1090ES ADS-B Out transponders all have the more verbose (e.g. Traffic, 2 o'clock, high) voice annunciation common with the GTS 8XX active traffic system.

I have a GTX 345R in my aircraft, but didn't even bother wiring this audio into the audio panel since the simple traffic aural annunciation from the G3X Touch system more than meets my needs.

With the great overlay of Target Trend traffic on the map and traffic page, I almost always see and avoid traffic with minimum scanning and don't often trigger the aural alert, so I don't see much advantage in having the more verbose aural traffic alert as an aid to visually locating traffic.

Thanks,
Steve

Steve

What about for the folks who don't have a G3X? Or for those who want a UAT with anonymous mode in 1200? Does Garmin offer any UAT's without a G3X that have the more verbose (e.g. Traffic, 2 o'clock, high) voice annunciation common with the GTS 8XX active traffic system? Does the GDL-88 provide this functionality at an equivalent level?

g3xpert 01-18-2018 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FORANE (Post 1233069)
Steve

What about for the folks who don't have a G3X? Or for those who want a UAT with anonymous mode in 1200? Does Garmin offer any UAT's without a G3X that have the more verbose (e.g. Traffic, 2 o'clock, high) voice annunciation common with the GTS 8XX active traffic system? Does the GDL-88 provide this functionality at an equivalent level?

Hello Forane,

Perhaps I didn't make this clear, but the GTX 45R/345R/345 ADS-B In/Out transponders provide the ?Traffic: 10 O?Clock, High or Low or Same Altitude, 2 miles.? type aural traffic alert regardless of what display is being used. In other words, a G3X system is not required to hear these alerts for the GTX 345/345R.

And yes, the GDL 88 also provides this type of traffic aural alert.

Thanks,
Steve


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