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terrykohler 12-15-2014 05:48 AM

Flat tire again
 
Starting to feel snake-bit. My RV has been pretty much bullet-proof with one exception - tubes. I've had way too many flats over the years (never a problem on my CT210). I've tried different tubes (now using Michelin), had others remount tires for me, gone to and maintain higher pressure (40-45 psi), all without much success. Interestingly, the failures are seldom on the tread side of the tube.
Perhaps it's the wheels??? I can't feel any burrs, but who knows. I've switched tires as well, so the problem isn't likely there.
Can't be over-use, as I'm only flying the plane 100-125 hours per year, and uneven or excessive tire wear is not evident. Brake wear is good.
Has anyone found other wheels to be a fix? Am I alone on this? Suggestions, SWAGS, spitballs, etc. appreciated.
Terry, CFI
RV9A N323TP

RickWoodall 12-15-2014 05:54 AM

flats
 
Hey Terry.
I was having a similar problem. Had 4 flats over a couple hundred hours. All wheels. I have switched mains to mich tubes and now have dessser (sp?) retreads and run a little higher pressure. Also, have sanded inside of rims, used tire talc etc etc..and knock on wood no issues this past year.

I know others with standard vans stuff, never had a single issue. Will be interested what others say. Merry Christmas. :D

RV6_OKLA 12-15-2014 06:02 AM

Tubes
 
I have used the same set of Michelin Air Stop tubes for 8 years. I add a couple of pounds of air during the conditional inspection and that does it for the rest of the year. Pricey, but worth it!

FORANE 12-15-2014 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrykohler (Post 941706)
gone to and maintain higher pressure (40-45 psi), all without much success. Interestingly, the failures are seldom on the tread side of the tube.

These small tires are more prone to flats. In my experience your pressure is too low. I try to maintain at least about 45 psi. Many Lancair guys with the same tire/wheel as the nosewheel in our RV-9A maintain 55-60 psi.

Some have the theory that the tire will spin on the wheel pinching the tube. My theory is the tire will flex on the rim pinching the tube. This happens when the pressure decreases. Wheelpants on the RV's make it more of a PITA to check pressure. Also, on the Lancair without wheelpants I can just glance at the tire and tell if it needs air. So, less checking for needed air leads to operations with lower air pressure leads to flats.

There is another option but it'll cost you. Beringer makes a wheel / brake combo that takes a tubeless tire. I hear rave reviews on it for smoothness and no flats...

turbo 12-15-2014 08:26 AM

my thought is the tubes are low quality. i now carry a bike tire inflator in case i need to reinflate to get home. mine was a slooow leak. do what you can, carry some spare tubes and a way to air up, and enjoy the flying. :)

FORANE 12-15-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo (Post 941763)
my thought is the tubes are low quality. i now carry a bike tire inflator in case i need to reinflate to get home. mine was a slooow leak. do what you can, carry some spare tubes and a way to air up, and enjoy the flying. :)

Every time I have had a flat there was evidence of pinching on the lateral aspect of the tube. Cannot blame the tube for failure when it gets pinched.

I carry spare tubes and all the tools required to change it other than air. I just need to locate air on site.

I know of some who carry a whole spare tire/rim ready for installation.

Ron B. 12-15-2014 09:22 AM

Are you using plenty of tire talc powder?

terrykohler 12-15-2014 09:38 AM

Any Experience With Tubeless?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron B. (Post 941780)
Are you using plenty of tire talc powder?

Yup. Plenty of talc. I've been running 45 psi, but based on comments so far, I'll likely disassemble, sand/polish the wheel surface, and try 55-65 psi. If that doesn't work, I may be headed to tubeless.
Terry

AlexPeterson 12-15-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrykohler (Post 941786)
Yup. Plenty of talc. I've been running 45 psi, but based on comments so far, I'll likely disassemble, sand/polish the wheel surface, and try 55-65 psi. If that doesn't work, I may be headed to tubeless.
Terry

I think the talc is indeed the key for the problem as you've described. It needs to be rubbed all over the tube and on the inside of the tire.

Re sidewall tears in the tube, my theory is that there is a progressive stretching of the inner tube where it contacts the sidewall, due to flexing from rolling. If the friction between the tube and the tire is high enough, the tube can be stretched past its limit. The OP did not say specifically where they were other than not on the tread.

Also, use caution with the higher pressure - you may get quite a bit of shimmy. I missed which wheels were having flats - main or nose or both?

terrykohler 12-15-2014 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexPeterson (Post 941803)
I think the talc is indeed the key for the problem as you've described. It needs to be rubbed all over the tube and on the inside of the tire.

Re sidewall tears in the tube, my theory is that there is a progressive stretching of the inner tube where it contacts the sidewall, due to flexing from rolling. If the friction between the tube and the tire is high enough, the tube can be stretched past its limit. The OP did not say specifically where they were other than not on the tread.

Also, use caution with the higher pressure - you may get quite a bit of shimmy. I missed which wheels were having flats - main or nose or both?

Alex:
I think I've got plenty of talc. Most of the tube failures have been on the ID or part contacting the wheel. Flats are happening on mains. My touchdowns are typically not high speed (55-60kts on final), very little braking used (long, paved runways), and turnoffs pretty gentle. I do, however, operate quite often at or near gross (1750-1800). Still scratching my head on this one.
Thanks,
Terry


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