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BTW, if done over I would not scallop the mounting strip for the lowest two of those three. The last scallop can catch the corner of the cowl and chip paint. Same for the straight sections along the sides of the lower cowl...no scallops. ![]() |
Why floaters are bad
When you install the floaters on a new install, everything seems fine. And it is for the first 500 hours or so. What you find is that since the floaters float, they wear out the holes in the fiberglass as your engine moves around. The result is that over time the holes wear larger and larger to the point that the paint wears, holes enlarge, screws fall out when removing the cowl, and eventually its a mess. Ask me how I know.
All of my holes in the cowl are completely wore out. All the male screws fall out when you unlatch to remover the cowl, and the cowl moves A LOT now. I can lift on the fwd cowl when attached and move my entire cowl around. The fix for this is AWFUL. Means a new cowl. One fix they had to keep the screws in was a larger c-clip. I went to those about 1k hours ago. Worked for a few hundred hours but eventually it wore beyond what the larger clips could retain. ARGH! Note: Im certain that the type of aggressive flying I do, exacerbates the problem. If your pulling positive and negative G's a lot, your stressing these cams on the fiberglass forcing a lot of joint movement. I would NOT do floaters again anywhere on my cowl. |
Thanks for that information. Of course if I flew my 12 as you do your airplane, the tail would fall off long before my cowling was worn out :D
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Even the fixed receptacles are not very tight and allow some movement. My rocket has hinges for the cowling sides and the fixed Skybolt receptacles around the firewall. There is some movement of the cowling that can occur as Kahuna points out and I have considered adding 2 regular screws and nutplates to stop the movement. Which kind of defeats the purpose of camlocks. If I had to do it over again I would just go with #10 flush screws and tinnerman washers. Cheap, much easier to install, easier to replace. Most of the time I use an electric screwdriver to remove screws so the time savings and convenience of camlocs isn't all that that much better.
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I will say that my setup has held up well. I wonder if anyone makes industrial strength Velcro. ;-) |
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I have floaters all the way on the top. Doing it again, I would probably use screws.
I have had 2 issues with the floaters. 1. I have had several of the self adjusting mechanisms fail even after making sure the ball is aligned in its slot. 2. I have had several of the floaters fall out of their retainers. |
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Thanks ALL for helping to get this documented. It is great to learn from the experience of others. I just hope my plane turns out half as good as yours. |
Floaters and Worn Holes
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We also have introduced our new DiamondHead Phillips fastener with a 42Rc hardness. What this means is that these studs will not gall, something that has been on my radar for years to resolve. In the process, we pushed the performance ratings for 300 stainless beyond the steel ratings. The timing of this forum is great in that we are working on a grommet revision that surfaced in another application. We discovered some design limits that have been part of industry standard grommets for decades. Some work I have done with Cessna also focuses on worn holes and how we can eliminate or substantially subdue wear. Part of it has to do with the tiny radius on the ledge associated with the retainer and the retainer itself. And part of it has to do with the grommet undercut. We just solved all of this and I can immediately revise our Vans kits to take advantage of this. We are running these parts as we speak and will revise our kits in the next week. If you have a previous kit and want to swap grommets, email me at nedcbowers@yahoo.com and I will take care of it. In summary, I think we are are a good track to address cowling float and worn holes. More innovations are on the way........Skybolt installation instructions are posted on our website. Call or email me with suggestions or questions. On another post, I want to talk about installation of flanges prior to engine installation. Ned Bowers, Skybolt |
Maybe too late for the original post, but for posterity, what I did was use hinges everywhere except on the firewall part of the top cowl. This makes taking off the top cowl very easy (a few screws for the hinge pin keepers and behind the spinner, and the floating skybolts on the firewall). Has worked well for almost 700 hours and 5.5 years now with little sign of excessive hole wear or slop in the cowl.
That's my experience anyway. Greg |
On a Viking cowl for an RV12, that little dogleg at the firewall gets to be pretty busy with the Skybolts!
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