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Skyview traffic vs ADS-B
I am pretty happy with the traffic feature on Skyview, mostly useful when I fly in the vicinity of Class C airports. I know that ADS-B also provides traffic information in addition to live weather. Regarding traffic, what difference is there between Skyview and ADS-B? I assume that both rely on the transponder's mode S capabilities (or not?).
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Mixed terminology: Skyview is a box made by Dynon. It displays weather and traffic sent by the FAA's ADSB system. To get weather and traffic your Dynon has an ADSB receiver, called ADSB-in. The mode S-ES is the other part, ADSB-out. You need the out to get complete traffic info out of the ADSB system.
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I also though John-Pierre goofed up terminolgy.
However I believe he is refering to either TIS-B or ADS-B. I think my transponder gives me TIS-B, my ADS-B gives me weather and ADS-B traffic. (and I think TIS-A traffic) I don't know the answer but I think the ADS-B gives much better traffic plus weather. Also allows you to receive traffic from another aircraft when you are not in the radar enviroment. |
Ah, that makes sense. The ADSB-in uplink has two parts, TIS (traffic) and FIS (flight information, like weather and TFRs). There are two uplink frequencies, one the transponder frequency, and a new, "UAT" frequency, at 987 MHz (or is it 978?). Weather (FIS) is only sent on UAT frequency; traffic is sent on both.
Now years ago, to lure pilots to adopt mode S transponders, the FAA began sending traffic (TIS) up to mode S transponders. But the system was never fully implemented, so you may get this version of TIS when near some radar sites, but not others. |
Still a bit of mixed terminology:
SkyView can get Traffic two ways in the USA: TIS-A: This is built into the Mode-S transponder we sell (and some non-Dynon transponders). This has nothing to do with ADS-B. This only works if the ground radar that is painting you is also a TIS radar. This is most Class B and C radars, but not all. This can give you up to 8 aircraft threats and prioritizes the ones that are the highest threat to you. This can uplink Mode-A, Mode-C, and Mode-S targets to you. All RV-12's with SkyView have the Dynon transponder, so they all have TIS-A capibility. ADS-B: The overall set of ADS-B contains three traffic services. ADS-B is direct air-to air, ADS-R is the ground station repeating ADS-B traffic for you if needed, and TIS-B is the same as TIS-A, but using ADS-B frequencies. TIS-B is where ADS-B uplinks traffic that isn't ADS-B out equipped. In the end, if you have TIS-A service via your transponder, you aren't going to see more traffic threats with ADS-B. You can see planes farther out, but that's long before they are an issue. The main advantage of ADS-B is you get traffic everywhere, not just in the dense Class B/C areas. |
I really like the traffic info but I seem to be getting an occasional "ghost" signal of myself sometimes.
Traffic displayed is at my altitude and direction and my position, any thoughts how I can filter that out? Its a little disconcerting until I confirm I'm not on top or beneath another aircraft :) |
Thank you Dynon, your answer clarifies the differences between the traffic I see now on Skyview with TIS-A and what I can expect with ADS-B traffic when/if I install ADS-B. The terminology clarification will help too, we definitely need an "ADS-B for Dummies" manual!
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I use a Dual170 ADS-B receiver and get a slight difference between my GPS position icon and my ADS-R symbol on WingX with my IPad. First time I saw it, it got my attention! :D
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