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cactusman 03-25-2014 11:13 AM

Van's G3X Touch Dual Display Option
 
Looks like it is up and running in Mitch's east coast demonstrator RV-12. Facebook post from Van's indicates it is a while off. Certainly a contender for anyone a ways out from ordering their avionics kit.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-...73831965960511

Interested in any intel on how hard the conversion was, any differences in flying with this set-up versus the Dynon, how much of the old harness was pulled, or if it was pretty much plug and play. Q/A at the bottom of the above FB post was certainly helpful i thought, but nothing like hearing from the guy who did the panel and wiring.

Mitch?

rvbuilder2002 03-25-2014 12:58 PM

Note in the Van's Aircraft Facebook post, it states that no one at Van's has seen it or flown with it.
Not even Mitch.
Garmin co-developed the installation with Van's and did the actual installation work in their development shop.
They will be delivering the airplane to S&F, which will be the first chance for Van's pilots to fly it with the G3X system.

MLock 03-25-2014 04:33 PM

I'm just as anxious as anyone to see this system and fly behind it. Looks like it will be a nice addition to our avionics lineup.

Ironflight 03-25-2014 05:33 PM

Hey Mitch, did you even know that your airplane had been stolen? :)

The Vandals from Kansas strike again....

Bill_H 03-25-2014 06:05 PM

Well, I sure would not have predicted this! Question - how much less power does the Garmin screen use than a second Skyview would? Does the Garmin have its own backup battery?

MLock 03-26-2014 06:14 AM

Paul,

I thought something looked a little empty about my hanger. Couldn't quite get a handle on it though until yesterday. It all became clear.

Actually, the Garmin RV-12 is N112VA, an SLSA model. Mine is N912VA, which is an E-LSA. I will be blessed with both airplanes in my hanger for a while.

Say hi to Louise for me.

novipilot 03-26-2014 06:40 AM

Having experience with both the Garmin G3 in the Skycatcher, and the Dynon in the SportCruiser, I would say that the Garmin is more intuitive to operate than the Dynon. The Garmin touchscreen video even shows a 3 screen install.

Jim T 03-26-2014 08:14 AM

I'm supposed to be picking up my finish kit in early April. I would like to know if there's wiring or parts in the finish kit that would need to be changed or modified if I decide to go with the Garmin system when I order the Avionics kit next winter? I'm getting busy with spring activities and probably won't really need to finish kit until next fall so it might pay to put it on hold until then.

Jim T 03-26-2014 08:16 AM

I'm supposed to be picking up my finish kit in early April. I would like to know if there's wiring or parts in the finish kit that would need to be changed or modified if I decide to go with the Garmin system when I order the Avionics kit next winter? I'm getting busy with spring activities and probably won't really need the finish kit until next fall, so it might pay to put it on hold until then.

Jim

cactusman 03-26-2014 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLock (Post 865591)
Paul,

I thought something looked a little empty about my hanger. Couldn't quite get a handle on it though until yesterday. It all became clear.

Actually, the Garmin RV-12 is N112VA, an SLSA model. Mine is N912VA, which is an E-LSA. I will be blessed with both airplanes in my hanger for a while.

Say hi to Louise for me.

Well, don't I feel and look stupid. Sorry for the mistake. Too many - "12's" in the N-numbers around here!

I sold all my FB stock today just to punish myself.

Still, interesting developments and look forward to any reports.

PilotBrent 03-26-2014 06:58 PM

Ample power from Rotax for dual screens
 
I had understood that Van's removed the second Dynon Skyview screen from the RV-12 package (was included in the early presentations about the Skyview upgrade) due in part to concerns about adequate electrical power from the Rotax 912 when an external alternator was not installed. So, does the dual screen Garmin option use less power than the dual Skyview screens were drawing?

Maybe its too early to know for sure given that the test platform has not been flown very much yet??

rvbuilder2002 03-26-2014 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotBrent (Post 865891)
So, does the dual screen Garmin option use less power than the dual Skyview screens were drawing?

Yes!


extra words added to meet the minimum

Bill_H 03-26-2014 09:13 PM

How much less?


Extra words added because the previous response was just begging for it...

DFlyer 03-29-2014 01:23 PM

The SkyView system draws about the same power. There was perhaps some confusion about comparing our published nominal, conservative numbers against measured numbers in the Garmin. If you measure SkyView current draw you will find it less than our published numbers, as is good practice. And some of the various modules (comparing the two systems) use more or less than each other. But as a total the SkyView is about the same, and it remains to be seen which is more or less by a small amount.

-Robert
Dynon Avionics

rvbuilder2002 03-29-2014 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFlyer (Post 866617)
The SkyView system draws about the same power. There was perhaps some confusion about comparing our published nominal, conservative numbers against measured numbers in the Garmin. If you measure SkyView current draw you will find it less than our published numbers, as is good practice. And some of the various modules (comparing the two systems) use more or less than each other. But as a total the SkyView is about the same, and it remains to be seen which is more or less by a small amount.

-Robert
Dynon Avionics

The decision was made based on actual experience with dual screens installed in the prototype RV-12 (N412RV), not engineering specifications.

ScottSchmidt 03-29-2014 04:00 PM

So there is hope?
 
So if they draw approximately the same power, and we move the voltage regulator for better cooling, can we add one touch Dynon, and move our current Dynon to the right side?
Are they compatible?

The new Garmins will have to wait for the upgrade on the -10 someday. The future is exciting. Things just get better every day.

What we really need is Tesla's screen in the center of our consoles. Make it totally customizable using software that is open sourced and we all can share. It is probably not too far away.

Bill_H 03-29-2014 05:37 PM

See these threads for more power discussion and how the CTLS came to a different conclusion. Not saying better, just different. What are the details about regulator relocation?

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=80077

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=91817


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