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TJ,
Sorry if I was a bit obtuse. You are correct that the GPS in the Freeflight product is TSO'd. However, it's not included at the $3,600 price, it is a $1,800 option in the product. That was the basis of my statement that in an experimental, you can wait a few years and hopefully get a solution for less than $1,800. I'm not expert on the requirements for the panel controller of the device, but the marketing literature calls the panel controller a "Key Component in the FreeFlight UAT ADS-B Transmitter System, used to control the FDL-978-TX." If you have an ADS-B device in the plane, you must have a way to turn it on/off if ATC asks, to stop altitude encoding, and to IDENT. Not sure how you achieve these requirements in a plane without the controller, which is why I assumed it was required. It also isn't drawn as optional in any of their block diagrams. As for using the TSO'd GPS in the box for an EFIS, IFR primary navigation in an experimental requires a IFR Navigator, not just a certified GPS position source. In TSO terms, you need a C129 or C146 device, but a GPS position sensor is C145. The idea here is that you need all the software involved to be certified, not just where you are and how fast you are going. Dynon wrote a position paper on this a year ago if you are more interested in the details: http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yab...m=1362597418/0 --Ian Jordan |
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Nope, I'm definitely not trying to hint at anything. All I am pointing out is that the ADS-B mandate is 2,160 days away, and there are a lot of companies and people trying to make ADS-B more affordable, so some people may wish to wait until 2020 is closer to equip with fully rule-compliant systems.
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Just to understand, if one remains outside of Class B or C airspace, there will be no requirement for ADS-B in the USA?
I look back 7 years and there are a few TSO'd GPS that have become no longer supported by their manufacturer. The same is true with a few EFIS units, both TSO'd and on the sport grade side also. The cost will no doubt squeeze a few people out of sport aviation and general aviation. The next 6 going forward should be interesting. |
After 2020, you need ADS-B anywhere you need a transponder:
1) Above 10,000 ft MSL (excluding that airspace below 2,500 feet agl.) 2) Mode-C Veil around Class B 3) In Class B 4) In Class C So, it's #1 that will get most RV's, even if they just fly out in rural areas but actually want to go somewhere, and then #2 really restricts you from any major area even if you don't enter Class B. |
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Although it doesn't happen that often, RV's can get into the flight levels. There, you must have the mode S-ES, not the UAT, sstarting 2020. |
I asked dynon that exact question at SnF. they said, "we have six years, we are looking in to it." I am hoping that by the time the mandate rolls around that there will be a few cheaper options, including dynon, to comply with this stupid mandate.
bob burns RV-4 N82RB |
Back to the original question...............
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Lots of thread drift here, as usual-------but lots of good info being exchanged too. Thanks for the responses. |
Update on this tread, new promo pricing announced on the certified FDL-978-XVR
Waco, Texas, March 26, 2014 -- FreeFlight Systems announced today special, time-limited promotional pricing for its RANGR FDL-978-XVR ADS-B Universal Access Transceiver (UAT). Pricing for orders placed and delivered by Dec. 31, 2014 is $3,995, a savings of $1,500 off of the $5,495 regular system price. The specially priced system comes with an internal WAAS GPS and includes the optional $350 WiFi module at no additional charge. Feel free to contact me if you need more info. |
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